Posts by Georgia

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An example of the way JWs are Brainwashed

by chester in

i would like to share with the board an example of a way dubs are brainwashed into equating the internet with satan.

i heard this with my own ears!

in fact i have it on tape.

Georgia

Perhaps some of you may remember this--

At each circuit assembly on Saturday morning, there was a part on the program about all the bad things we should be avoiding. Usually it included things like bad TV programs, R-rated movies, parties with too many people at them, unchaperoned dates, etc. Once they even included the dangers of reading romance novels. (Some sister apparently left her husband after reading romance novels.) The last assembly I was at was several years ago, but they had added the internet to the list of bad things that good witnesses would avoid. They were always worried about "temptation".

I used to wonder what kind of perverts they suspected we were? If we were alone with an elder in the car in field service, were we going to seduce him? If we watched a violent movie, were we going to run right out and kill someone? If we read a romance novel, were we going to commit adultery with the next man who came to the door?

Give us the benefit of the doubt! Assume that we are basically good moral people, who want to serve God and follow the rules. I always felt they assumed the worst possible of each of us.

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WE AS AN ORGANIZATION NEED REFORM to HB

by Sunspot in

((in order to make the title fit i had to snip one of hb's statements from "are you fair minded?")).

hb;.

you seem to have overlooked my question to you......i'll rephrase it:.

Georgia

I'll give this question a fair try, assuming it is a serious question (may be wrong in that

assumption).

Note the baptism ritual: Read Acts where Peter is told to go to Cornelius, who is called

a righteous man (even though not a Jew, and not a Christian). Peter has to be convinced by

a vision that it's okay for him to go to this Gentile home, but when he finally gets there, he

explains Jesus to them, they accept the message and express a desire to get baptized.

Peter sees evidence of holy spirit coming upon them, and decides that it's okay to baptize

the whole household, not just Cornelius, the one God sent him to. Please note that

these people did not attend meetings regularly for six months, did not have a home Bible

study for any specified period of time, did not go in field service prior to their baptism,

and did not answer 80 questions to prove their knowledge and commitment to the elders.

They were baptized because they "believed" the message regarding Jesus.

This is one clear cut example of how the WT society needs reforming.

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Women and the Watchtower

by 67mustang in

why are women in the watchtower society not allowed to give talks, pray in front of men and all the other crap that they keep them from doing?

i think this submission thing is out of control.

Georgia

1 Cor 11--God is the head of Christ, Christ is the head of man, and man is the head of woman.

This was the divine arrangement, and followed the general order of creation.

Paul was probably reflecting the cultural mores of his time. Women were considered little

more than "chattel" at the time. Women's choices in life were pretty limited. "Nice" women

would be married off and hope for a kind and loving husband. But, if he was stingy, miserly,

demanding, well? Too bad! Women's other choices were starvation or prostitution.

Interestingly, Jesus seems to have enjoyed women and treated them pretty well, overall, except

for that one disrespectful comment to his mother when she complained about the shortage

of wine at the wedding in Cana. Note his relationship with Martha and Mary, and other

female disciples.

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The 144,000 'chosen ones' a random number?

by Overseer in

hey,.

first, i'm not a witness so bare with me because i just need some answers.. i recently bought a book called 'the worlds greatest cults' by nigel cawthorne (an excellent read) an article on jw's was featured in it giving some basic facts-who founded it etc.. it stated that the 144,000 people were going to go to heaven-this number was selected as the gentleman who founded the religion never thought it would grow larger than that-nothing to do with anything mentioned in the bible.

when the number of members began to reach this number, the founder said that all other members would stay on earth.

Georgia

You can calculate this number from the prophecy in Revelation,

12,000 from each of 12 tribes of Israel. Of course, they say that it doesn't

mean literal Israel (as in Jews), but spiritual Israel (an in Jehovah's witnesses) including

early Christians. So why do they take the quantity as literal, but the group as symbolic?

Also, history tells us there were about 300,000 early Christians in the first and second

century, so the number would have likely been filled up by them, and not by WT

members in the 1900's. Georgia

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Fake 'hovahs

by TR in

other discussions about the cost of wt rags reminded me of something.. several years ago, late eighties, while i was out selling, er placing witchtower and afake!

rags door to door, i encountered a householder(i hate that frickin' word) that had an interesting observation.

she said, "oh, you people were just here, and i bought some magazines".

Georgia

She must have been on someone's magazine route.

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Memorial Thursday

by Georgia in

jw
friends

memorial is this week on thursday.. i will be travelling with my jw mother and need.

to take her to kh for memorial.

i need to explain to her why i can't go there and.

Georgia

Memorial is this week on Thursday.
I will be travelling with my JW mother and need
to take her to KH for Memorial.
I need to explain to her why I can't go there and
NOT partake. I'm thinking of reading John 6:50+ to
her. Any suggestions on other scriptures I should
use to show that we MUST accept the blood and body
of Christ, and that this shows our acceptance of him
as our ransom sacrifice. Georgia

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Why two tests for the "other sheep"?

by sleepy in

jw
friends

why two tests for the "other sheep"?.

i could never understand the reason why the society believed that those destined to live on earth had to go through two tests.. one at armageddon the other at the end of the thousand year reign of christ.. if they have been tested as to loyalty at armageddon why is a further test needed.if armageddon is not a good enought test for christian why have it at all, why not just have the final test?.

also those suppossed to be gong to heaven don't have an test.the get ressurected as perfect beings without going through armageddon or the final test.does that make sense?.

Georgia

good question--it highlights the
problem of having a "two-tiered" system of Christians,
some on a higher level, and some on a lower level.

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"naos" temple courtyard

by Georgia in

jw
friends

rec'd wt yesterday.. question from reader regarding.

"naos" temple courtyard.. they are reversing their position about.

other sheep being out in the court of the gentiles,.

Georgia

Rec'd Wt yesterday.
Question from reader regarding
"Naos" temple courtyard.
They are reversing their position about
other sheep being out in the court of the Gentiles,
actually admitting that the other sheep are in the
"temple" or "naos".

Of course, their "change" was written in a way that
most people won't even realize they are making a change,
but look for it if you can get hold of a copy.

The outer wrapper on our WT sub said in bright red
letters that our subscription will be terminated within
a few issues, and that we should arrange to get our
copies at the local KH.