Posts by civicsi00

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Acts 7:59

by civicsi00 in

riddle me this about acts 7:59.. ok, so last night i pulled out the 1985 kingdom interlinear and just started perusing through it.

after a while, i arrived at acts 7:59 where stephen "appealed" to jesus.

this is what i also found:.

civicsi00

Riddle me this about Acts 7:59.

OK, so last night I pulled out the 1985 Kingdom Interlinear and just started perusing through it. After a while, I arrived at Acts 7:59 where Stephen "appealed" to Jesus. This is what I also found:

-In the 1985 edition, they used the word "appeal", BUT with an asterisk next to it. The asterisk leads you to a footnote, and the footnote states something like this: 'or "invocation, prayer" '.

But:

-In the 1969 edition, they also used the word "appeal", with no footnote.

-The NIV bible uses the word "prayed".

So my question is this: Did the Watch Tower shoot themselves in the foot by adding this little footnote to their 1985 edition? Because according to the May 15, 2008 WT, page 31, they posed this question/answer:

Was Stephen praying to Jesus? No, he was not. One's worship-and therefore one's prayers-should go only to Jehovah God. (Luke 4:8; 6:12) Under normal circumstances, Stephen would have appealed to Jehovah in the name of Jesus. (John 15:16) In this instance, though, Stephen had a vision of "the Son of man standing at God's right hand." (Acts 7:56) Fully aware that Jesus had been given the power to resurrect the dead, Stephen spoke, but did not pray, directly to Jesus, asking Him to safeguard his spirit. -John 5:27-29.

(I also noticed that they capitalized the word "Him" instead of just "him" when they referred to Jesus in the above paragraph... isn't that also odd? I thought they only did that when referring to Jehovah.)

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Watchtower: End Game Strategy?

by sacolton in

most cults don't go out with a whisper when they know their time has come.

jonestown.

branch davidians.

civicsi00

I've noticed there's been a lot of talk about the future of the Watch Tower recently. My personal fear is this: In the near future (within 1-2 years), there will be some sort of "tribulation" and the "end" might seem to be very near for JW's. Right then is when the GB will announce that the "Great Tribulation has started" and they will tell all the faithful ones to partake of the "kool-aid". Then the end comes...for them. And then things resume in the world as they were before. There are still quite a few solid, faithful JW's who might partake of a "kool-aid" of some sort without really thinking about what they're doing.

Realistically, I think it's going to be a slow, painful implosion... one with members continually being disillusioned that the "end" never came in their lifetime, resulting in the ultimate loss of faith in God.

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Why didn't Jesus write his own parts of the bible?

by Aphrodite in

why leave the writing to inaccurate third parties who each saw things from their own perspective.

if his message was so important for posterity, why did he not write an accurate account of his message?

civicsi00

His finger was out of ink.

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January 15th 1983 Watchtower

by Bring_the_Light in

paragraph 19-21 are under the heading "fight against independant thinking".

the question box at the end of the article contains the question "what is an evidence of independent thinking, and what can help us to avoid it?

the clear answers from the paragraphs are that noting that "gods organization has made adjustments in the past, to point out their fallability is the result of "pride" and independent thinking can be avoided by remembering where you learned bible truths in the first place.

civicsi00

Most JW's wouldn't be able to spot any inconsistency if they saw both quotes next to each other. Now THAT is sad.

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Can the holy spirit be a person???

by leaving-jws in

my mom and i got into a debate about the trinity doctrine.

she claims that the holy spirit cannot be a person which invalidates the trinity doctrine.

she says in genesis that the holy spirit was depicted as "roving about the earth" as an "active force".

civicsi00

Holy Spirit can be anything it wants to be, it can be a person, place or thing,, it can be a submerine, a tank top,, it can be garbage in the dump,, you name it it can be it.

Like the T-1000 from Terminator 2? The WT deliberately mis-translated the Holy Spirit in their bible. Look up the Holy Spirit that was roving the earth in Genesis 1:2 in the NIV (or another bible) and it states something different than the NWT. Here is what the NIV states: (this is from biblegateway.com)

2 Now the earth was [a] formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

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A Dub Explains 607...

by brinjen in

i left a comment on this video three weeks ago, a very good video titled jws, ex-jw "apostates," and faith!

by a youtuber called shazoolo.... http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=btvajrqc2oa#anqrgt3pxpc.

i asked if anyone could explain the 607 b.c.e.

civicsi00

1914 serves these 4 purposes (for JW's only):

1. The last days began in this year.

2. Satan was thrown out of heaven in this year.

3. Jesus' kingdom was established in this year.

4. 1914 is used to get to 1919 to establish that Jesus picked them as the one true "channel". I doubt any JW could use the bible to prove this point.

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2008 Keep Yourselves In God's Love--PDF!

by Atlantis in

2008 keep yourselves in god's love--pdf!

bookmarked searchable reduced to 2.4-mb from (anonymous-5) please note the "appendix" of this book!

click the link at the bottom of the next page.

civicsi00

Anyone notice Freddy Franz' writing in this book? Go to page 53, paragraph 25, it states:

"One way is by inviting others to join you in the anti typical city of refuge, especially in view of the fastapproaching "great tribulation"."

And y'all thought the era of "anti-types" were over!! Bwhahahahah!!!

00Si

Edit: Added " ".

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2008 Keep Yourselves In God's Love--PDF!

by Atlantis in

2008 keep yourselves in god's love--pdf!

bookmarked searchable reduced to 2.4-mb from (anonymous-5) please note the "appendix" of this book!

click the link at the bottom of the next page.

civicsi00

Awesome thanks! Keep up the good work!

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Gas Prices & Field Service

by doinmypart in

jw
friends

the reason given for combining the bookstudy with the tms and service meeting was rising gas prices.

whether that was society's true reason for the change or not, that was what the publishers were told.. if i were a publisher contemplating this coming weekend's field service activity and a near-empty gas tank, i simply would not go out.. do you think there will be a corresponding reduction in the number of field service hours as gas prices increase?.

has anyone noticed a trend in the monthly reports published in the km?.

civicsi00

This will have an impact on JW's everywhere. They may not feel it at first, but it's gonna catch up.

I can see them cramming as many people as they can into the most efficient car possible. LOL

Maybe the WT can get special deals on Prius'?

MD

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News Flash !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

by TooBad TooSad in

my wife excitedly told me that she talked to the wife of an elder that just came back from.

the special training for elders in upper state new york and that the elders are being told .

to go back to their congregations and to get them ready for the great tribulation.. i said to her that is great news !!!!

civicsi00

One of three things are going to happen:

1. They're going to experience significant growth, a la 1975. The money will be rolling in again, and the GB will be set for another few decades.

2. They're going to bottom out and belly-up. There will still be a handful of faithful followers, but I can see the MAJORITY of them leaving in disgust.

3. Or the U.S. economy crashes, things start to go even more haywire in the world, and it may SEEM as if the end is REALLY close... and right then and there is when the GB will require all faithful servants to drink the Kool-Aid. After they drink the Kool-Aid... the world will turn around and mend itself and things will go on as before. The only people gone will be all the faithful JW's who drank the Kool-Aid, thus the world will see another tragic ending for a cult.

The last possibility is what really scares me...

MD