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  Upcoming Study with a Bethel Brother

  by PSacramento in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so, after a lengthy discussion with my mom on friday, she asked me ( again) to have a study with a bethel brother because the question i ask are too "above" her knowledge and she feels that only a well trained bethel brother can show me the "truth".. i voiced to her my issue:.

  i love my mother, father and sister that are jw's and the last thing i want is to lose them, we had already drifted apart because of their new found faith ( my mom was first, about 8 years ago, then my older sister and just recently, last july 4th, my dad), i told her that if i have these study with a bethel brother i will, most likely, sya thing and state sources that may get me brnaded as an "apostate", i asked her, to be honest and truthful with me and to tell me that, if i get branded that and they are told, suggest to them, to stop dealing with me, would they?.

  she said that no organization tells her who to deal with, even more so in regards to family.. i was not convinced, nevertheless i agreed and this wednesday will have my first study with him, first topic the mwt, my issue with certain translations ( such as romans 10:13, colossians and so forth) and the name "jehovha".. .

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  civicsi00

  Before doing anything, you will first have to determine his cult status.

  Was he born-in or raised in it, or converted when he was older? Depending on which one he is, this will tell you what you can and can't bring up.

  For example, if he was born-in and his parents were somewhat zealous JW's, then he should be familiar with 1914 and 1919, and possibly 1975 and the "generation" teachings. These are meatier subjects that you will want to discuss with him.

  If he should happen to be someone who later converted, he will likely not be familiar with most of the dates and their significance. He is likely a JW by behavior and not by being convinced with the NWT (not the Bible) that the WT is God's channel of communication.

  Good luck...
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  Huge development concerning Watchtower.org and "apostate" comments.

  by DT in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  wouldn't you love to comment on the watchtower.org site so that other visitors can see what you think about their doctrinal flip flops, false prophecies and dangerous medical practices?.

  it's no surprise that watchtower.org doesn't allow comments.

  they know that "apostates" would point out the embarrassing details about their religion and history.

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  civicsi00

  Bookmarking for future reference...
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  Jackson’s birthday burial may make things harder on his children

  by Dogpatch in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  jacksons birthday burial a family issue.

  michael jacksons aug. 29 burial points to a power shift within the jackson family that could ultimately affect jacksons three children.. up until recently, michaels mother katherine was making the major family decisions, but the decision to schedule the burial for jacksons birthday was largely joe jacksons.. katherine didnt want it (the burial) on his birthday, neither did rebbie (jacksons oldest sister), said a close family friend.

  both katherine and rebbie jackson are jehovah's witnesses, and do not celebrate birthdays, but the religious reason isn't their only objection.. (katherine and rebbie jackson feared) it would turn the burial into a spectacle that will be hard for the kids to not be swept up in," the friend said.

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  That royally sucks for those kids. They're going to be torn between two worlds for the next few years. Did Michael plan for this? Did he ever warn his children about JW's?
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  New Changes the WT Society should make next

  by monkeyman in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ok, here are some things to think about for fun since they wont ever be enacted.

  but its fun to fantasize.

  please input your thoughts and suggestions!.

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  1. No more suits or ties.

  2. More songs about Jesus.

  3. No more magazines, just the Bible.

  4. Accept other Christian religions and not try to be the only exclusive channel to God.
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  Armageddon's Non Arrival Left Trouble Among The Witnesses

  by Bangalore in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  armageddon's non arrival left trouble among the witnesses.. .

  from the st. petersburg times - jul 11, 1981.. .

  http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=h_cnaaaaibaj&sjid=f3sdaaaaibaj&pg=5455,2117361&dq=raymond-franz.

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  Wow, great article. I love to read these old articles because it shows that things were not well with the WT after 1975. If anything, this would be great to show to a JW who has never really thought about 1975 or knows nothing about it.
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  So what's wrong with being a "Cult"?

  by The Berean in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i looked up the definition of "cult" on dictionary.com.

  definition #1 read as follows "a particular system of religious worship, esp.with reference to its rites and cerimonies.

  " that soundeed vanilla enough .... scrolling down to #2, i saw "an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal or thing, esp.

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  My father left my mother with a broken hip for over 12 hours before calling me to tell me "there's something wrong with your mother". After he told me what happened I immediately told him to call 911. He was humming and hawing. I asked him did he want me to call. I told him straight off "Dad, something is major league wrong here. She's broken something. She's gone into shock." He was worried about how the ambulance attendants would be able to get into the house (it was a bit muddly outside).

  As sad as this is, I can relate to this experience. Something like this happened to some people I know. The wife slips and falls in a fast-food restaurant. What do they do? Fill out an "accident report" and then the husband DOESN'T take her to the hospital to see if anything is wrong with her, despite the fact that she is in pain and complaining. Idiots.
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  isaacaustin's claim regarding "the Creator's promise"

  by Spike Tassel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isaacaustin: spike, you said jehovah defines false prophets...the reasoning book is man's writing.. i am well aware of the reasoning books weak attempt to deny their being a false prophets....such as 'never did they say these are the words of jehovah".

  guess what?

  they did say that, in calling their 1914 generation prophecy 'the creator's promise".

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  Spike, the Watchtower has spoken in God's name and that they are God's sole channel of communication. If God didn't make the promise of the generation of 1914 not all passing away before the end came, then why didn't He stop them? Why did He allow them to publish this false prophecy decade after decade? Do you think Jesus would have stood for this, if his apostles were out proclaiming dates for when Jerusalem was going to be destroyed and they kept getting the date wrong?
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  So what's wrong with being a "Cult"?

  by The Berean in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i looked up the definition of "cult" on dictionary.com.

  definition #1 read as follows "a particular system of religious worship, esp.with reference to its rites and cerimonies.

  " that soundeed vanilla enough .... scrolling down to #2, i saw "an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal or thing, esp.

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  civicsi00

  If you would like to be told by other people that unless you talk/behave/act/do as you're supposed to orGod will smite you, then go right ahead and join one of the many cults around the world.

  I prefer my freedom.
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  This Bible passage has always bothered me.......

  by palmtree67 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  this is one of 2 bible passages that have always bothered me.. its from judges 19: (the entire chapter, so i will paraphrase.).

  a levite marries himself a concubine.

  she's unfaithful and goes back home.

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  civicsi00

  Am I missing something here? After the Levite chopped up his concubine, he stated in Chap. 20 verse 5 that the homosexuals were trying to kill him. But Chap. 19 verse 22 says that they just wanted to "have sex with him". Soo... didn't he LIE??
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  isaacaustin's claim regarding "the Creator's promise"

  by Spike Tassel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  isaacaustin: spike, you said jehovah defines false prophets...the reasoning book is man's writing.. i am well aware of the reasoning books weak attempt to deny their being a false prophets....such as 'never did they say these are the words of jehovah".

  guess what?

  they did say that, in calling their 1914 generation prophecy 'the creator's promise".

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  civicsi00

  He probably won't answer. How do you tone down a false prophecy like that?