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martinwellborne
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My wife FINALLY quits Witnessing and Meetings admits I was right!!!
by Witness 007 infor afew years a have been fading and telling my wife how i feel about such false doctrines as blood transfusions, 607 b.c.e date etc.
at first she would say "don't talk to me about discouraging things!!
" since i haven't been attending meetings or field service for over 2 years she has slowly quit 1. witnessing, then 2. theocratic school which she hated anyway but was forced to do.
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When You Left The "Truth" Did You Have Any 2nd Thoughts?
by minimus inwere you 100% sure that your decision was correct?.
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martinwellborne
not really since i have never been that close to anybody in the borg, even though i went for over 20years and believed it for over 30. but
there needs to be truth just as there needs to be love, shit! i just think they have taken a good thing and messed it up bigtime, but hey isn't that what happened with the reformation
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Why aren't all of the Annointed at Bethel?
by nomoreguilt inthis really bothers me.
i've been reading up latelty alot about the gb and it's relationship to or lack there -in of the annointed.
jesus' spirit begotten followers, here on earth, the citizens of the new jerusalem, make up the faithful and discreet slave, correct?
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martinwellborne
Was there not a question from readers or something lately telling any anointed in congregations that they must follow the directions from the elders and not try to interfere???????
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The Index of forbidden books and suppressing free thought.
by martinwellborne inboy oh boy how we used to slate the roman catholic church for having a banned books list.
john peter carafa was a cardinal of the church in the mid 16th century, elected pope paul iv in may 1555 he then started to spread his own brand of fanaticism.
an ascetic like the dominican friar thomas de torquemada, he hated jews and shut them in ghettos, hated sodomites whom he burned, hated women and banned them from the vatican.
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martinwellborne
Boy oh boy how we used to slate the Roman Catholic church for having a banned books list.
John Peter Carafa was a cardinal of the church in the mid 16th century, elected Pope Paul IV in May 1555 he then started to spread his own brand of fanaticism. An ascetic like the dominican friar Thomas de Torquemada, he hated Jews and shut them in ghettos, hated sodomites whom he burned, hated women and banned them from the vatican. But it seems his passionate interest was stifling freedom of thought. As a cardinal he had burned all books he considered pernicious. As Pope he introduced in 1559 the Index of Forbidden Books. On the list went all of Erasmus's works, Rabelais, Henry VIII's Seven Sacraments, Bocaccio's Decameron etc.
But suppressing free thought had become difficult after books started pouring off the new printing presses. Printing was the greatest aid to democracy the world had yet seen. But Paul IV it seems did the heroic thing by putting himself on the list, it's an odd tale....Carafa pre-pope had been head of a committee of six cardinals who were to investigate all who were guilty of wandering from "orthodox faith and morals". The guilty and the suspects were to be proceeded against up to the final sentence (death). Carafa carried out the order to the letter. In the final 'CONSILIUM' or report given to Pope Paul III, there was outspoken criticism of Papal absolutism, Simony, Nepotism, abuses in the bestowal of bishoprics on unworthy's and much besides. Here's the funny part... Unfortunately for the Vatican, this document was leaked. Protestants read it with delight as confirming everything they had ever said about the papacy. Here's the funnier part. CARAFA put Consilium on the Index.
Lastly The Church having been found with forged texts supporting the creation of the papal system (The Pseudo-Isidorian Decretals) put the french scholar who exposed the texts on the INDEX of forbidden works in 1660. It was not until 1789 that Pius VI admitted they were a forgery, the admission was nine centuries overdue.
Lea wrote in his "Studies in Church History (1883)" : - It is not the least of the troubles of an infallible church that it cannot decently abandon any position once assumed.
Rome had always found it easier to stifle arguments than to answer them.
Now my 1st point in this lesson from history is there seems to be a borg equivalent of the INDEX not least of all starting with Crisis of Conscience. And there are plenty others on their list too.
And My 2nd point is just like when the printing presses came around the RC church could not suppress free thought. So it is with the Internet today and this is why they are panicking.
Hence anyone ignoring the lessons from history are condemned to repeat them. MW.
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How I handled Child Abuse cases when I was an Elder (1996-2006)
by slmdf inhey ya'll.
i know there is a lot of buzz due to the nbc story.
i thought i'd share my experience as an elder dealing with abuse.. i attended 23 different congregations in my life and served as an elder or ms in 9 of them.
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martinwellborne
1.)if it's not legally mandatory to notify authorities, DON'T; 2.) if it is legally mandatory to notify authorities, you must do so and should do so by calling from a pay phone and do not give your name, religion, contact info, how you found out about it, etc.????????????????????????????
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My thoughts on JW pedophiles
by TooBad TooSad inwhat disturbs me the most is not that there are pedophiles in the congregations of jw's because.
there are pedophiles in all religions, it is the fact that the wtbts has always pointed an accusing.
finger at the churches of christendom for not following the bible, thus not being christain.
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martinwellborne
It's the protect jehovah's name bit that really gets to me.
Doh!
Seems more like they are bringing reproach on it than the other way round.
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NBC, here's what I think of you -- WTBTS
by Fatfreek inthe wts reaction to the nbc piece is that of the classic but unsuccesful spinmeister.
parts of it remind me of that river in egypt, dnile.
mostly, however, it totally shocked me that they chose to subscribe to some expert who implies that pedophilia is some recently discovered phenomena.
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martinwellborne
well said JK, "in the old days he was known as the bogeyman" and he was dealt with if caught.
I knew a chap at work years ago who told me when his boy was young a pedo' tried to abuse him,
anyway the father broke into the pedo's house and waited for him to show up, lucky for both he did not turn up, coz this happened when murder was a capital offence.
MW
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JW say df/shunning is Scriptural...How do we get around those Scriptures?
by oompa inpaul of course is the mainstay of this, and i really like saying "hey lets stick to what jesus taught" but even he condemned the pharacees and others in a considerably judgemental manner.
so what to say to my elder/dad who won't speak to my df son?
like when paul says to not eat with them, don't say a greeting to them etc....how do we get around that?
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martinwellborne
Matt 7 “Stop judging that YOU may not be judged; 2 for with what judgment YOU are judging, YOU will be judged; and with the measure that YOU are measuring out, they will measure out to YOU".
James 2:13 "For the one that does not practice mercy will have [his] judgment without mercy. Mercy exults triumphantly over judgment."
James 4:11,12 "Quit speaking against one another, brothers. He who speaks against a brother or judges his brother speaks against law and judges law. Now if you judge law, you are, not a doer of law, but a judge.
..One there is that is lawgiver and judge, he who is able to save and to destroy. But you, who are you to be judging [your] neighbour?
What about Demas? Did Paul advocate sticking the boot in by shunning? No! all he said was... 2Tim 4:10 "For De´mas has forsaken me because he loved the present system of things, and he has gone to
...Thes·sa·lo·ni´ca.."
2 John v10 about greetings is specifically for those who do not believe Jesus came in the flesh, and should not be taken out of context.
just a few thoughts MW
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Are you a happy ex-JW?
by Burger Time ini was thinking it might be a good idea to come up with a website like happyexjws.com where we record a short video of ourselves saying we are now happy and briefly explaining why.
kind of like the atheist group who's members blaspheme against the holy spirit.
thoughts?.
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