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  In a pickle - The U.S. and Egypt - What would you do?

  by Glander in

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  1. cut off funding to the military, stand back and watch, aka, the ron paul position.

  2. back up the military in putting down the muslim brotherhood ( the mb being the incubator for extremist jihadists).

  3. back the muslim brotherhood (the us backed the morsi/muslim brotherhood originally).

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  There are very few good options for either the Syria crisis or the Egypt crisis.

  American money ensures Egyptian peace with Israel, priority access to the Suez canal and counter-terrorism cooperation.

  The Camp David peace accord brokered by Jimmy Carter in the 1970's assures equality of aid from America to both Egypt and Israel. No American administration has tried to tinker with that accord by withholding aid for bad acts.
  
  It's not as simple as a soundbite like "just cut off aid to Egypt". That would cause unintended consequences.
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  What's Your Opinion Of The Personalities Of The Governing Body?

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i believe the gb has typically been an odd group of men.

  this new batch, the faithful and discreet slave seem very impressed with themselves....like they are modern day apostles or something....or maybe it's just me..

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  They actually have personality?
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  what is it with Watchtower "human apostates"?

  by besty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/search?cx=partner-pub-4963413421914369%3ag5in7s-4bz3&cof=forid%3a10&ie=iso-8859-1&q=%22human+apostate.

  this new phrase keeps coming up - any thoughts?

  nothing yet on wol jw org .

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yraW8rzm1E
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  Is the Watchtower a Communist front?

  by bytheirworks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the chinese language you have 2 versions: traditional & simplified.. ever since the watchtower opened a field office in hong kong, they have made the watchtower study magazines into two versions: traditional & simplified.. the watchtower's communist roots go back further than that.

  charles taze russel in his early watch tower (notice there is a difference between watch tower aka guard tower.... & watchtower aka enochian magic, aka justice league, aka league of the just men 1834, aka communist league 1847) predicted some 36 years in advance that there would be a communist revolution in russia.

  it was called many things but in 1918 it was officially called a communist revolution, exactly around the time when the government began arresting rutherford.. when you do the research you find that the last communist meeting was held in allegheny pennsylvania, exactly where & when russel began his watch tower.. don't you find it strange that the watchtower is able to produce so many worker bee jw's, who operate like mindless robots???.

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  Gopher

  @bytheirworks:

  You said: "If Watchtower is ONLY concerned with making money, why destory the lives of many families with their disfellowshipping... and policy of not calling the police on child molesters? Wouldn't such things hurt their cash flow?"

  My answer: Disfellowshipping annually gets rid of the bottom 1% in the JW organization who are viewed as uncommitted. Non-JW corporations routinely fire those who are inefficient or causing distraction which diverts from the central goal(s) of the organization.
  
  The WTS policy of protecting child molestors is heinous, but it is a way that they support their sacred image among their followers that they can do no wrong. JW's believe any such problems are either non-existent or blown out of proportion by "apostates". Therefore the WTS can skate by on the squeaky-clean image that they sell to their followers.

  You said: "Their goal is 100% complete domination over the minds of their members."
  
  My answer: I can't argue with that. However attempted domination may not always indicate communism in the truest definition of the word.
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  "My brain NEEDS a good washing!!!"

  by bytheirworks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  have you ever heard a jw say, after someone calls them brain washed, that: "well, my brain needs a good washing???".

  share your account & experiences.

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  The alternate term the WT uses for brainwashing is "inculcation". (6 of one, half-dozen of the other.)
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  Please Share one of your Favourite Quotations

  by cofty in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  have you ever come across words that resonate with you?

  it doesn't have to be a great gem of wisdom, just something that is meaningful to you.. please share, and if you want to, tell us why it's meaningful to you.. here is something that made me nod when i first read it.... .

  "fortunate are those who have learned to see, in the wild things of nature, something to be loved, something to be wondered at, something to be reverenced, for they have found the key to a never-failing source of recreation and refreshment".

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  "I'd rather have questions I cannot answer than answers I cannot question." -- Written by someone in the early days of this message board
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  Is the Watchtower a Communist front?

  by bytheirworks in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  in the chinese language you have 2 versions: traditional & simplified.. ever since the watchtower opened a field office in hong kong, they have made the watchtower study magazines into two versions: traditional & simplified.. the watchtower's communist roots go back further than that.

  charles taze russel in his early watch tower (notice there is a difference between watch tower aka guard tower.... & watchtower aka enochian magic, aka justice league, aka league of the just men 1834, aka communist league 1847) predicted some 36 years in advance that there would be a communist revolution in russia.

  it was called many things but in 1918 it was officially called a communist revolution, exactly around the time when the government began arresting rutherford.. when you do the research you find that the last communist meeting was held in allegheny pennsylvania, exactly where & when russel began his watch tower.. don't you find it strange that the watchtower is able to produce so many worker bee jw's, who operate like mindless robots???.

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  Gopher

  During the Cold War, people in free countries called the Watchtower communist, and people in communist countries were informed that the Watchtower is American propaganda.

  I guess it just depends on who has what axe to grind.

  As a skeptic, I will insist that the Watchtower is mainly a front for a large printing and real-estate management corporation.
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  AWAKE quote that is a "Point the finger" and ......

  by Phizzy in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  remember , there's three pointing back at the wt !

  the following quote is taken from the awake 22nd april 1970 issue, pg 8 : -.

  "one of the reasons is that people are disturbed by what is happening in their churches.

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  My assertion (since I got free of the WT) is that the WT Society changes its doctrine more than any other religion on earth. I think most JW's will acknowledge this to be true, even if they try to offer reasons why.
  
  Ask any JW " How do I know the 'new things' will be truth in 5 years?" They will not be able to explain that.
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  Atheist Support

  by snare&racket in

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  You mentioned that "atheist" may seem to be a scary word. However it may just be a matter of definition. Nobody here on earth can prove the presence or absence of one or more deities. However some choose to believe based on culture or perception, whereas others don't think enough evidence exists to prove the existence of any gods or deities such as described by mankind. Those who come down on the disbelieving side can be said to be atheist, which breaks down to "a-" without and "theist" belief in a deity.
  
  You don't have to be hardcore anti-theist to have your doubts. I consider myself a "weak" atheist meaning I'm not the outspoken anti-theist type. I understand people have reasons for their belief, including many of my family and close friends. I just don't happen to have any such reasons myself.
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  Sorry Seems To Be The Hardest Word For The WTBTS To Say!

  by JW GoneBad in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  sorry to raymond and cynthia franz for expelling them on trumped-up charges and forcing them from there bethel home.. sorry for demonizing many of raymond's accomplishmets, such as 'the aid to bible understanding' (the blue book) that he had a hand in putting together and that too many old timers remember who grew fond of reading to expand their bible knowledge.. sorry to oompa for disfellowshipping him and causing him to be shunned to the point where he couldn't take it any longer and wound up taking his own life.

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  sorry seems to be the hardest word for the wtbts to say!.

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  Nice one, Elton!