Posts by Gordy

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What was your first Religious Experience ?

by Casper in

just wondered how others first learned about religion.

i know "born ins" were taught from the start but the rest of us had to start somewhere.

my very first memory of anything supposedly religious was at the age of six... my grandmother took me to a "tent revival".

Gordy

When I was about 8/10 yrs old back in the late 1950's the BBC showed a TV series "Jesus of Nazereth" (no not the Robert Powell one) this was in black and white. This was followed by another series "Saul of Tarsus" about the apostle Paul. All both these programs did was just show Jesus and Pauls life no embellishments like they do today. For some reason they just clicked with me. Since then I had a belief in God.

My parents were not religious, my mother occasionally went to church, very rarely took me. I never knew my father ever go to church.

We didn't do Religious Education at school, it had been sidelined even back then. From 16 yrs, my friends and I used to have long discussions about "God, universe, life etc etc"

I even thought about becoming a minister in Church of England. But then at 20yrs, the JWs came along, introduced to me by one of my friends. Then as they say the rest is history I became a JW for the next 30 years.

Then left, but as I say I left a man-made organisation, not God. I eventually became a Christain and now attend a Pentecostal church.

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March 08 KM - Jesus is not Saviour?

by DoomVoyager in

in the special box in the march 2008 km, the last sentence says something about "jehovah, our saviour.".

i guess this is a confirmation of that isolated 1979 article which shows that the "great crowd" do not have any particular relationship with jesus.

does anyone have a scan of this km?..

Gordy

This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 1 Tim 2:4

but it has now been revealed through the appearing of our Savior, Christ Jesus, who has destroyed death and has brought life and immortality to light through the gospel 2 Tim 1:10

3and at his appointed season he brought his word to light through the preaching entrusted to me by the command of God our Savior, To Titus, my true son in our common faith:
Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.Titus 1:3,4

13while we wait for the blessed hope-the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ Titus 2:13

But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, …….
He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior,Titus 3: 4, 6

Verses like these are usually used to prove that God and Christ are the same.

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How Did Your JW Wife or Husband Leave You?

by new boy in

inspiried by other post and threads....and the love to type.. after going from being a self rightious pioneer and bethelite, to someone who had major doubts.my years drifted by me.

i had been a watchtower slave for over 50 years.

one day at a time, i sold my soul.

Gordy

Twelve years ago I had a breakdown, attempted suicide. Later diagnosed as "Acute clinical depression" they said I probably had it for years. This was brought about by combination of personal circumstances and trying to "keep up appearances" as a JW, I was a Min Servant at the time. I had doubts for a long time about the teachings of the Watchtower.

Of course the attitude of the JWs was that of complete horror. I went before a Judicial Committee, got privately reproved. As usual their "treatment" for anything is "attend meetings and go on field service". No understanding that a person with severe depression just does not want to be around or speak to other people. As I was not making "progress", it might have helped is even just one of them had offered help. Not even any Elder made any effort to give support.

Anyway , because I was not making "progress" it was decided by them that I was a "spiritual danger" to the family, so they got my wife to get me out the family home. She even found a place for me, in the next town, and had to attend a different congregation.

You could say that was the day my wife left me. I still visited to see the children.

But the whole thing made me question even more about the WT which was supposed to be "Jehovahs loving organisation".

Eventually after much research I disassociated in 2001, which ended 30 years of being a JW.

My wife has not spoken to me since then. Even though we are only separated, we will have been "married" 34 years this year.

The Elders were so concerned about what my effect would have on family they got rid of me. But it backfired on them. Not long after I left, two of my children disassociated, three have never wanted anything to do with the JWs. Only my wife and two daughters continued as JWs. But I now have heard that those two daughters only now occasionally go to meetings.

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Child abuser protected by elders again!

by jacethespace in

another lowlife pedophile protected by elders in the watchtower.

http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/pe_news_local_c_trial06.439464c.html.

elders in windsong valley, wildomar refuse to testify in court over private conversations they had where the accused admitted what he had done.. how can they do this time and time again and yet treat those who leave as the worst people on the planet when the people whithin the tower are corrupt?.

Gordy

I have just heard from an old JW friend, he has just heard.

That a guy 4-5 years who was exposed as a Pedophile in his congregation and was a Min Servant at the time.

Is now back to being a Min Servant and could be appointed an Elder this year.

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When British District Conventions?

by Gordy in

have the dates for the district conventions in britain been announced yet?.

if they have can anyone let me know the dates and places.. thanks .

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Gordy

Thanks for the information

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What is the HIDDEN purpose of the Watchtower corporation?

by Terry in

why does the average man or woman on the street only have a vague awareness of who jehovah's witnesses are and what they stand for?

isn't it weird they know next to nothing after over a hundred years of door to door work???.

ask yourself why this has been such an ineffective ministry.. one actor, tom cruise, has raised more awareness about his own religion (scientology) than all the watchtower magazines placed at a million households.

Gordy

There were a couple of points in Terrys post that I have raised before.

What does the ordinary person know about Jehovah's Witnesses?

I have asked people do they know what JWs believe. After a couple of minutes of blank looks. I usually get "They don't have blood. They go door-to-door. Don't celebrate Christmas or birthdays" Then thats about it in their knowledge of JWs.

This is after about 130 years of the publication of millions of pieces of literature, magazines, book, tracts, brochures etc.

After Billions of hours of preachings door-to-door

Yet the JW is told that the world is in awe of them. But in reality, people don't give them a thought until they get called on again.

The clergy of Christendom are frightened to death of them. The Clergy are too busy with their own problems and congregations, than be worried about JWs. Very few of then even knw what JWs teach, so have no idea what to be "frightened" of.

TV ministry.

Once you are in the public eye through TV, then you come under scrutiny. As can be seen with other TV evangelists.

The WT would never take that chance.

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When British District Conventions?

by Gordy in

have the dates for the district conventions in britain been announced yet?.

if they have can anyone let me know the dates and places.. thanks .

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Gordy

ANyone know dates yet for British conventions?

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Are JWs allowed to go to wedding of disfellowshiped child?

by freetosee in

since i've been out for so long i would like to ask if there has been any change regarding the association with disfellowshiped.

can active jws go to the wedding of their df'd sons or daughters?

any policy change?.

Gordy

My JW wife would not attend the wedding of our eldest son because he was disassociated and getting married in a church.

Neither would his two JW sisters.

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Anyone know this website - UN & JWs

by Gordy in

<http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/>.

anyone have any answers to what this guy says?.

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Gordy

<http://www.jehovahsjudgment.co.uk/watchtower-un-ngo/>

Anyone have any answers to what this guy says?

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Am I the only one that didnt realize about the GB?

by yourmomma in

jw
friends

here is a question for you.

i'll give a little back ground.

i was raised in the witness organization however in about 1993 i encountered much hypocrisy and left for about 3 years.

Gordy

When I got baptized in 1995 I believed I was dedicating my life to Jehovah, not to old men in Bethel. I thought these men were humble seekers of truth..nothing more.

Didn't you notice the wording of the two baptism questions asked at your baptism talk?

Up until 1985 these were the baptism questions:

(1) Have you repented of your sins and turned around, recognizing yourself before Jehovah God as a condemned sinner who needs salvation, and have you acknowledged to him that this salvation proceeds from him, the Father, through his Son Jesus Christ?

(2) On the basis of this faith in God and in his provision for salvation, have you dedicated yourself unreservedly to God to do his will henceforth as he reveals it to you through Jesus Christ and through the Bible under the enlightening power of the holy spirit?

Then in 1985 they were altered which are the ones you must have said yes to in 1995 :

The first question is:
On the basis of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ, have you repented of your sins and dedicated yourself to Jehovah to do his will?

The second is:
Do you understand that your dedication and baptism identify you as one of Jehovah's Witnesses in association with God's spirit-directed organization?

Notice the difference?

Pre-1985 you would have dedicated yourself to Jehovah.

Post-1985 you now dedicate yourself to being in association with "Gods spirit-directed organisation", that is the Watchtower and all its rules etc.