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  If You Could Write Articles For The Watchtower What Would The Titles Be?

  by minimus in

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  if you had the power to print millions of watchtowers & awakes and you could see to it that the articles that you wrote got to all the readers, give a sampling of what the articles highlighting "spiritual food" would say.

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  How about these?

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  If You Could Write Articles For The Watchtower What Would The Titles Be?

  by minimus in

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  if you had the power to print millions of watchtowers & awakes and you could see to it that the articles that you wrote got to all the readers, give a sampling of what the articles highlighting "spiritual food" would say.

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  ps There's more where that came from... :o)
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  misquoting creationists? ofcourse not!

  by greven in

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  original text ommitted in the post is in bold; additions/substitutions are in italics:.

  geneva, n.y. -- for apple maggots, the dating scene is simple flies only mate on a specific host fruit.

  using new technology developed at the new york state agricultural experiment station, cornell university researchers have demonstrated that this fact of fly life has resulted in the emergence of two distinct races of the pest in just 150 years.

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  Original text ommitted in the post is in bold; additions/substitutions are in italics:

  GENEVA, N.Y. -- For apple maggots, the dating scene is simple — flies only mate on a specific host fruit. Using new technology developed at the New York State Agricultural Experiment Station, Cornell University researchers have demonstrated that this fact of fly life has resulted in the emergence of two distinct races of the pest in just 150 years.
  
  In research published in the Online Early Edition of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences Website on Sept. 22, the scientists show that one mechanism by which these flies find their host plant is a preference for specific blends of fruit odors. The preference is both strong enough and sensitive enough that the two races of maggot no longer interbreed — the first step in the evolution of a new species. The discovery, the researchers say, opens up a possible new area of organic pest control. is best supported by the theory of creation.The researchers at the Geneva Experiment Station, part of the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences at Cornell, Ithica, N.Y., are Charles Linn, Satoshi Nojima and Wendell Roelofs. Their collaborators are Jeffrey Feder from the University of Notre Dame and Stewart Berlocher from the University of Illinois.
  
  Evolutionary biologists theorize that two populations of a species must be isolated from each other if they are to develop into two distinct species — and Darwin provided the example of one species of bird diverging and becoming reproductively isolated on separate islands in the Galapagos. But geographic isolation has never resulted in the emergence of two distinct species. Recently it has been proposed that the separation need not be geographic or even physical. A shift in the use of a new host plant for mating and the laying of eggs could be enough to keep insects that occupy the same area at the same time from mating. This process is termed "sympatric speciation," and that is what the researchers believe has happened with hawthorn maggots. Once again though, they still have the capacity to interbreed.
  The apple and hawthorn maggots are common names for the same species, Rhagoletis pomonella. The pest and the hawthorn plant are native to North America, but the apples they now infest were introduced from Europe around 250 years ago. During the 1860s, in New York’s Champlain Valley, some hawthorn flies shifted to apple plants as their host, while others did not.
  
  "There are no morphological differences between the two, so they are still the same species, but two races can be distinguished by looking at the diversity of protein structures of whole populations and by the specificity of individual flies to different host plants," so this doesn't lend much support to the theory of evolution," explained Roelofs, who is the Liberty Hyde Bailey Professor of Insect Biochemistry at Cornell.
  
  R. pomonella has been studied for many years, but it was only with the development by postdoctoral researcher Nojima of sophisticated laboratory techniques to select the key components of fruit odors that the behavior of the insects could be rigorously tested.
  
  Using a process called solid phase micro-extraction, volatiles were absorbed from the fruit and identified in a gas chromatograph using a live insect’s own antennae as part of the detection process to determine which volatiles the flies use for host-plant identification. Once key compounds were identified, Linn ran behavioral tests in a flight tunnel. Blends of the apple and hawthorn volatiles identified in the lab were synthesized and then tested for insect behavior. If the insect recognized the test odor, it oriented itself toward the source and flew upwind to reach it. The scientists found that almost exclusively apple maggots only responded to apple odors, and hawthorn maggots only responded to hawthorn odors.
  
  Behavioral tests were also conducted in the field. Traps were baited with one of the two blends and placed in hawthorn stands and apple orchards. Just as in the lab, the flies of one race largely ignored, or even avoided, the chemical scent of the other race’s fruit.
  
  "The results in the field are really very strong," said Linn. "It adds a level of validation that we also saw the same pattern in field trials in Michigan and Indiana." "It shows pretty conclusively that when members of a species resist mating with each other they still have the capacity to do so. This is not what one would expect from evolution."In addition to the impact on ecology and evolutionary biology the theory of creation, the research has several applications. Other scientists at Cornell already are using the blends developed in this research to monitor populations of hawthorn and apple maggots in orchards and fields across New York state.
  
  The team also identified several components of hawthorn and flowering dogwood — a third member of the R. pomonella species complex. These blends are not simply ignored: some actually deter apple maggots. Roelofs' lab has begun field trials to see if introducing the dogwood and hawthorn odor, or components of it, into apple orchards or around the fruit itself could provide a means of organic pest control against the apple maggot.
  
  The research was funded by a $1.6 million grant from the National Science Foundation.

  find this post here:
  http://www.creationtalk.com/message...topic.php?t=404

  Real pressrelease:

  http://www.nysaes.cornell.edu/pubs/...030919PNAS.html

  What was this guy thinking?! The additions are obvious!

  I wasn't the one to discover this, someone from infidels.org has that honor. Find it here:

  http://www.iidb.org/vbb/showthread.php?s=6d921d8776e094a04fb93915595d72eb&threadid=63629

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  I predict bold new changes in JW preaching work..want to bet me? :-)

  by Mindchild in

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  ive decided to post something i have been thinking about for quite some time now.

  to keep things short and sweet: i predict revolutionary changes in jw policy regarding door-to-door activity and the means of spreading their memeplex (belief system.

  here is a list of the changes i feel most confident about:

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  greven

  Actually, in case you've missed it, they have been doing commercials. I think most of them are online on their media site if you're curious.

  And they have made some technological advances. Almost every year I see a new VHS Watchtower video on my dad's shelf. They never had videos when I was in. The online CD library came out after I was out too.

  Hmmm, yes you right. However this still is one way trafic. They could go on-line but only under heavy moderator influence so any diversion can be quickly rooted out.

  Greven
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  The Holy Bible proves its inspired accuracy again...

  by Derrick in

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  again and again the holy bible has proven its inspired historic accuracy.

  check this out:

  http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/package.jsp?name=fte/biblicaltunnel/biblicaltunnel

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  All scripture is inspired of God and beneficial to all. The Holy Bible was written by men who freely gave themselves to the task of its writing because God inspired them.

  As simwitness already pointed out there is a problem with this text from 2 timothy.

  I like to add a few:

  Point 1: There was at that time no bible. period. There were lots of holy scrolls and books and these were later examined and placed in a canon when decided a book was correct and inspired. This compilation was done by different groups of early church farthers. There were various groups with various agendas leading to various versions of this canon. The canon we know today as the bible is simply one of many that existed. Timothy was not taking part in this compilation project.

  Point 2: Timothy says all scripture. But who decides what is scripture? Did he consider his own writings as scripture too? And what about the holy books that were not written yet when he uttered those words, for example revelation?

  Point 3: Paul even denies at times to be inspired by saying for example: "these are my words/opinions, not the lords." If paul was inspired when he wrote this, then we have a situation simular to the liars paradox. Think about it. Can one deny inspiration while being inspired?

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  Semiotics show that Satanists control the media! Or the Zionists...

  by Abaddon in

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  as shown by this diagram of the relationships between various forms of media, there are clear indications of satanic control!

  you have been warned.... .

  ... no, hang on it's not the satanists, it's the zionists!.

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  LOL@abaddon
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  I predict bold new changes in JW preaching work..want to bet me? :-)

  by Mindchild in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  ive decided to post something i have been thinking about for quite some time now.

  to keep things short and sweet: i predict revolutionary changes in jw policy regarding door-to-door activity and the means of spreading their memeplex (belief system.

  here is a list of the changes i feel most confident about:

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  greven

  Bwahahahahahah!!!

  This is a joke right? Right?

  C'mon! Do you see any jw's preaching on TV? No? Billboards? No? Commercials? No?

  They are still preaching like they think happened two thousand years ago. (they do use doorbells though ;o) ) Venturing on the net will expose them to much. WTBS is about information controll! remember!

  Greven
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  Its so easy to get acid, you can get it anywhere

  by Hamas in

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  i guess i cant stay away.

  i started getting withdrawl symptoms.

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  Woohoo!

  He's back!

  Great to have you back friend!

  Greven
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  Witness Dumbing-Down: Getting Worse?

  by metatron in

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  the oct. km contains a four page insert for the theocratic ministry school, as it.

  does every year.

  the announcements instruct publishers, "the insert in this issue of our kingdom.

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  I have noticed the change in the service meeting too!

  Thank God the Society is finally taking action to stop the emergence of spontaneity!

  For exaple the bible reading part (5min) is just reading! No intro or thoughts allowed. The other part no 4 is based on a wt article so no spontanity there also. It was for me the drop! I always tried to give a fresh look on it with wich I could agree this is lame!

  Greven
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  The Holy Bible proves its inspired accuracy again...

  by Derrick in

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  again and again the holy bible has proven its inspired historic accuracy.

  check this out:

  http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/package.jsp?name=fte/biblicaltunnel/biblicaltunnel

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  Historic details like buildings, cities and people are not the vital points one should look at when deciding the bible to be inspired or not. Proving them means nothing but some historical accuracy. What we should be interested in when discussing the inspiration are the extra-ordinairy claims.

  I could write a book describing an alien atack on NYC in which I mention buildings and cities and people as decorum like that movie Independance Day. Then when archeologists will dig up such cities a few thousand years in the future does that make the aliens real too?

  Greven