My ex-P.O. in Tampa, Florida sold his interest in a good consulting biz in Chicago and pioneered until the cash ran out. He also railroaded me into blame for my divorce when it was my ex-wife who slept with another man.
What a guy.
Posts by Grout
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21How many do you know like this?
by crownboy ina bethelite brother gave a public talk at our hall a couple weeks ago.
one part of the talk focused on "putting kingdom interest first".
he gave examples of how some gave up material comfort so they could pursue the ministry.
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Crisis of Conscience: POLL
by Grout inwell, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.
the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.
maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?
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Grout
The tone of CoC, and the excruciating care with which RF explains his sources and the nature of his information ... in particular, noting what information was hearsay and how he got it ... has the ring of truth. More specifically, it's the style of someone being very careful not to overstate or misstate anything.
RF knows the propaganda value that catching him in a genuine falsehood would have. He seems to have been excruciatingly careful in his writing. And it seems to have paid off. Whatever else RF is criticized for by the WTS, I've never seen him called on a factual error.
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Motivation
by ItsJustMe ini'm obviously new here, so i'm going to ask a question i'm sure has been discussed before but has me quite curious.
what motivates you to spend so much time discussing jehovah's witnesses?
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Grout
Anyone who was a dub for any length of time must put a high value on the approval of others, or he wouldn't stay a dub. So we seek approval and belonging outside the WTS as well. No shame in that, we're only human.
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Question about Accuracy & Persuasion
by troubled inin my social psychology class, we are studying a chapter on persuasion.
here is an interesting excerpt from our study book, "social psychology: unraveling the mystery" by douglas kenrick, steven neuberg, and robert cialdini, page 171. please tell me if you think it applies to jws, ex-jws, and this board in general.. .
p. 170, "done deals".
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Grout
Easy answer: THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD.
Real science is basically about repeatable measurements of objective facts being the only reliable indication of truth. As Heinlein wrote: "what are the facts, and to how many decimal places?"
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Crisis of Conscience: POLL
by Grout inwell, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.
the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.
maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?
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msil: Good for you. But I still have family to rescue.
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Crisis of Conscience: POLL
by Grout inwell, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.
the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.
maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?
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NYTel: Have you read CoC yourself?
(Fred: Thanks for showing up. I feel like Sally Field. "You hate me! You really hate me!!")
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Crisis of Conscience: POLL
by Grout inwell, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.
the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.
maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?
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veniceIT: Yeah, the Mexico/Malawi thing was amazing, wasn't it? And to think the whole point of not calling themselves a "religion" was to avoid ceding ownership of property. *sigh*
siegswife: well, I knew about those DFing for married sex rules, but then I was raised a dub and was an MSvt for a while, so I wouldn't expect that everyone else would know. Shoot, my wife didn't know that Pay Attn To All The Flock even existed until I told her, and she had been a dub all her life.
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Crisis of Conscience: POLL
by Grout inwell, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.
the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.
maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?
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Well, I'm finally reading CoC, and I must tell you that despite already being an ex-Dub I was *shocked*. The thing that got me was the GB's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else. Maybe I'm naive, but I didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.
So what did YOU find most shocking in CoC? Perspiring minds want to know!
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Churches of Christendom worse than JWs.
by Undecided inmy wife is a saved christain.
she believes all that crap.
her sister playes the piano and sings in the churches.
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Grout
Good. Bad. I'm the guy with the map of the human genome.
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help - orwellian 'DOUBLETHINK' kicking in
by alliwannadoislive inreading the watchtower 'readers ask' article (which so clearly is not a reader asking) about 'should we pray for disfellowshipped ones' and i had the horrible feeling of 'doublethink' kicking in - twisted reasoning trying to take me over and allow me to accept the incorrect thinking.
isn't this like a conditioned disgusting habit ?.
is this posting like i'm taking it to the elders ?.
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Grout
Relax. Human brains are amazingly fallible, which is why so many stupid things refuse to die out. If you feel a pull toward believing something false, that's entirely normal! Giving in to that pull, letting your hindbrain win over your forebrain, would be the only true failure.
It's not the destination, but the journey, as they say....