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  Lurkers, JWs, and JW apologists—In the name of Christ?

  by AuldSoul in

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  examine 1 peter 4:14 and john 15:17-21 and consider: can you name any of jehovah's witnesses who has ever been persecuted or reproached on account of the name of jesus?

  please think very carefully about what the answer means, in light of plainly stated scripture.. i would love to see a discussion about this that includes comments from jws and apologists.. respectfully,.

  auldsoul.

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  wobble

  Auld Soul was a thoughtful and respected poster, as you can see from the O.P

  It is a brilliant question, and one to keep in your armoury if ever a JW mentions persecution as a sign they are God's Org.
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  Lurkers! How do you put up with it?

  by PopeOfEruke in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i just cannot understand how any one in their right mind can read the experiences here concerning the wachtower society's false claims, lies, trickery and deceit, and the example shown by the so-called "elders" in treating the flock with disdain and cruelty, and still stay a jehovah's witness.. lurkers, how can you do that?

  do you simply dismiss all the evidence?

  have any of you experienced such evil acts personally and still stay connected to the jw's?.

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  wobble

  All of my blood relatives, apart from a cousin, are in, I lurked for a week or two,(in 2007/8) then I posted.

  Once I had learned enough on here,and elsewhere on the Net. Freeminds and JW Facts etc. my conscience would not let me stay in the "Deception". (it was always that, never the truth).

  How do you, if like me you, Lurkers and Hangers-on, were raised to be a lover of truth, stay wallowing in the mire of lies ?

  What about conscience, integrity, self-respect ?
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  untitled

  by freeflyingfaerie in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  after this last conversation with my father, i had almost decided to completely just not have any contact at all.

  but then realized i still need to go through my parents to ever talk with my little sister.

  if i'm feeling up to any discussion at all with them, it's going to be short.

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  wobble

  I feel for you dear FFfaerie, I went through a very similar stage.

  Having put those very questions, plus the 1919 question to them, and it having no effect, I came to the decision that I would be with them as I am with normal people, I do not discuss religion with normal people, it never comes up, so I just discuss family stuff, how my sons are doing, and I ask how their offspring are etc.

  If they are determined to stay weird, and stuck in astrange silly cult, I cannot change that, but they are still family , so we remain on cordial terms.

  It is the best I can hope for. We have reached a peaceful solution, no Dubtalk, just day to day news.

  off topic, but my wife loves faeries, and anything to do with them, I said to her the other day "You know they are real don't you?" and she said "Of course they are" I think she is a true believer !
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  After leaving Jw's did you go into another religion or serv. god ur own way?

  by average joe in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am just curious if you guys left jw's and now worship in some other relgion or worship in your own way?

  have you sworn off organized religion ?

  if you have not sworn off organized religion then i wonder what relgion seems to be the right one for you guys?

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  wobble

  I had a slow journey to where I am now. I examined other religions, and came to the conc. they were all made by men for men (women don't get much of a look in). God has nothing to do with any of them.

  I examined the Bible and found it not to be the word of god.

  I examined the evidence for the existence of god, and could not find any that convinced me.

  Like dear Talesin above, I find that whatever I have the power to do to make life better for my fellow humans is worth doing, and it makes me happy ! so, volunteering, giving blood, etc etc is basically aselfish thing, it is for my personal happiness and feeling of worth.

  I enjoy good music, so will attend services etc. for the music and choir on occasion, but I feel it would be silly to pretend to worship a fictional figure.

  Compassionate Humanist is my label.
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  Watchtower makes Multimillion-dollar reform in Patterson!

  by ZionsWatchTower in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  information brought by a brazilian dissident in this discussion (in portuguese):.

  http://extestemunhasdejeova.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=8964&st=0&sk=t&sd=a.

  the watchtower is making a multimillion-dollar reform in the patterson farm, in their educational center.

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  wobble

  $2,293,200.00 more like, I would guess.

  Still a huge sum to be spending for very little return, when the "end" is soooo close.

  Let's hope the "end" of the W.T is hastened by such poor use of cash resources.
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  How did you fill the void after leaving?

  by gutted in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm curious about how people filled the void after leaving the jws.

  i'm at a point, a bit over a year after leaving, where i am finding i have confronted the reality of my life and situation... and it's depressing.

  i realize i have holes in my life (a significant other, social activities, something higher/beyond myself) which many worldly people naturally have filled but it feels unnatural for me, almost synthetic and it makes me more depressed the more i think about it.

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  wobble

  I had no problem, no void, or feeling of one.

  I studied, philosophy, the Bible, the history of many things, I have always been an avid reader, and more time to read was a wonderful bonus.

  I have always , well for thirty years, been a keen player of flat green bowls, the "Old Farts" game, and you can fill 7 days a week with that if you want, so I now play a lot more than I ever did as a J.W My game has improved as I knew it would.

  I can now play anytime, before I had to refuse a lot of competitions etc, it was frustrating.

  I always felt more comfortable with "worldly" people (what a silly usage) than with J.W's and so it is no problem socially and making new friends etc.

  Normal people (I prefer normal to worldly) do not judge you all the time, you don't have to watch your language or what jokes you make or laugh at etc etc.

  Born in I may have been, but not genetically disposed to be a JW I guess, I never really felt I fitted in to any great degree.

  Life outside the bubble is great, I'm Me, I'm Free and I'm Happy. (thanks to another poster for that slogan)
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  Help - can anyone remember re:covenants?

  by Sapphy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hi all,.

  i have some memories as a kid of sitting through some reallllly long watchtowers about the various covenants in place, or replaced etc.. i'm having trouble remembering the precise difference between the 'new covenant' and the 'kingdom covenant' or 'covenant for a kingdom'.. i remember one had 144,000 members and one had 144,001 members and it was very important .

  i've had a quick search on the cd rom but it's not clear & i can't find those study articles.... can anyone help?.

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  wobble

  What exactly are you after sweety ?

  there are big articles of JW views on covenants in the "Insight on the Scriptures" volumes, and the pertinent quote is not there, but under "Mediator" where it blatantly says Jesus is Meditor for only the 144,000. Not mediator for all men, as scripture says (Paul to Timothy)

  But let us know what you are looking for, surely not a lesson in how to really understand the Bible ?

  That is easy, just take it that everything the WT/JW's say about what it says and means is wrong, you won't get too far out of line with that thinking!
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  We create our own happiness by choosing to believe something is worth our belief

  by Terry in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  do any of us want to believe we have no sense of humor?.

  or, would we want to believe we were boring and our opinions were silly mush?.

  why would we seek to believe nothing we do matters and that we are just taking up space and using up air?.

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  wobble

  When I was a kid of about 8 or 9 I saw a photograph in a special edition newspaper produced to sell to the conventioners leaving the Assy. site.

  It was a candid shot taken along the stands of the football ground as the Bros. ans Sis. sat listening to the talk.

  It struck me then that without exception they all looked miserable ! (Sorry there was an exception, the kid about my age in the foreground who had his head back , fast asleep !)

  I rationalised that nobody sitting on those bum-numbing seats would look happy, but it should have made me think, J's Happy People, WHERE????

  It truly is a miserable religion.
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  Well I've been 10 years on here

  by mouthy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  am i still the oldest?

  84???

  ?and the stupidist?.

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  wobble

  the sweetest ! Happy Anniversary And we all insist on many many more of them !

  (Heaven can wait, we need you and your love !)
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  How To Leave Jehovah's Witnesses Easily and Painlessly

  by Daniel Metz in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i have just thought of a way to leave jehovah's witnesses using information from the new shepherd the flock of god book.

  it's quite simply: rebaptism.

  here are the steps:.

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  wobble

  Diamondiiz asked you if you were a believing J.W Daniel, are you?

  Whatever you believe you are welcome here, but a small Biog. of yourself may help us relate to you better.

  Hello ? Hello ? Daniel ?