It doesn't change the fact she is facing major surgery and she has made her choice, this isn't the time to upset or aggravate her, Bonafide did a good job of keeping the meeting on track and for that i have to praise him. I don't agree with muslim practises but I treat them with respect, to a born in JW the blood issue is a deep one, we read the scriptures in NT and for us it is sacred, I may have myself after many years have come to see it as not so cut and dried but it's still there in me because however much people may disagree with it, early christians died over this issue too and that was only animal blood.
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33I met with a surgeon yesterday about blood - wow
by BonaFide ini was asked by a friend to go with an older sister yesterday to the hospital to talk with her surgeon about her upcoming major surgery.
hospital liason committee told her to watch the society's video on blood, and if she can't get her surgeon to agree on non-blood treatments, then they will help.
it was the weirdest experience of my life.
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Brainwashing
by Lady Lee inbrainwashing
from perfect victim by christine mcguire and carla norton.
in the book perfect victim a man kidnaps a grown woman and keeps her in his home as his slave.
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reniaa
i'm sorry but i find this posting thoroughly distastful, Its so contrived in many of its paralells that it makes for uncomfortable reading, it borders on offensive in some of the comparisons. I hope more see this like I do than you do lady lee,
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I met with a surgeon yesterday about blood - wow
by BonaFide ini was asked by a friend to go with an older sister yesterday to the hospital to talk with her surgeon about her upcoming major surgery.
hospital liason committee told her to watch the society's video on blood, and if she can't get her surgeon to agree on non-blood treatments, then they will help.
it was the weirdest experience of my life.
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reniaa
you can't say that jgnat, this is probs more about keeping control so she isn't frightenned, shes facing major surgery, the blood issue is complex, lol I've never even eaten black pudding/blood sausage. She is probably getting this complex on it to stop facing the truth of major surgery, it'll be a comfort of sorts gives you the feeling your life isn't completely in the hands of a stranger.
Support your sister she needs you as a brother you helped her through the meeting now just be there for her. this is not the time for making issues but for caring, the less stress she has the better her chances of getting through op without complications.
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Vatican Says "Yahweh" Not to Be Pronounced
by betterdaze invatican says "yahweh" not to be pronounced .
calls on practice used by 1st christians .
washington, d.c., aug. 19, 2008 (zenit.org).- a note from the vatican has reiterated a directive that the name of god revealed in the tetragrammaton yhwh is not to be pronounced in catholic liturgy.
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reniaa
True, you're in fear of burning in hell, but all you really have to do is confess your sins to some guy and you're absolved! Born a sinner? A little water sprinkling and you're fine. Hellfire no longer an issue. How cool is that. lisaAnn
this definition keeps changing depending which pope is in power but current thinking is it's not an actual fire just a state of being so if you are a sinner you don't have to worry about demons with pitchforks toasting you over a literal fire anymore
Pope says hell and damnation are real and eternal
By Richard Owen in Rome
March 28, 2007 12:00am
HELL is a place where sinners really do burn in an everlasting fire, and not just a religious symbol designed to galvanise the faithful, Pope Benedict XVI has said.
Addressing a parish gathering in a northern suburb of Rome, the Pope said that in the modern world many people, including some believers, had forgotten that if they failed to "admit blame and promise to sin no more", they risked "eternal damnation - the inferno".
Hell "really exists and is eternal, even if nobody talks about it much any more".He had wanted to reinforce the new Catholic catechism, which holds that hell is a "state of eternal separation from God", to be understood "symbolically rather than physically".
Agostino Paravicini Bagliani, a church historian, said the Pope was "right to remind us that hell is not something to be put on one side" as an inconvenient or embarrassing aspect of belief.
It was described by St Matthew as a place of "everlasting fire" (Matthew xxv, 41)."The problem is not only that our sense of sin has declined, but also that the world wars and totalitarianisms of the 20th century created a hell on earth as bad as anything we can imagine in the afterlife," Professor Bagliani said.
In 1999, pope John Paul II said heaven was "neither an abstraction nor a physical place in the clouds, but that fullness of communion with God, which is the goal of human life".
Hell, by contrast, was "the ultimate consequence of sin itself. Rather than a place, hell indicates the state of those who freely and definitively separate themselves from God, the source of all life and joy".
In October, the Pope indicated that limbo, supposed since medieval times to be a "halfway house" between heaven and hell, was "only a theological hypothesis" and not a "definitive truth of the faith".
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Vatican Says "Yahweh" Not to Be Pronounced
by betterdaze invatican says "yahweh" not to be pronounced .
calls on practice used by 1st christians .
washington, d.c., aug. 19, 2008 (zenit.org).- a note from the vatican has reiterated a directive that the name of god revealed in the tetragrammaton yhwh is not to be pronounced in catholic liturgy.
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reniaa
What about hallelujah (praise to jehovah/yahweh) will they still be saying/singing that? ironic if they do.
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How to Debate an Evolutionist (if you must)
by hooberus inthis thread is primarily directed to biblical creationists and other non-evolutionists here (as such no or limited responses will be given to evolutionist posts here).
please if you are a non-evolutionist attempt to refrain from debating evolutionists here on this thread, as they will likely try to derail any learning, or exposure of their tactics.
i will try to avoid debating here but instead posting information in a series of posts.. i consider myself to be an informed biblical creationist and probably one of more experienced creation/evolution issue debaters to have been on this forum.
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reniaa
I still have a problem with the common ancester(Ancient ape if we must lol) equalling ape in one direction, human in the other! it seems very contrived still, and why doesn't the common ancester still exist? Ape cannot be such a big a leap not so many difference from the original given the millenia time-frame and human must be a massive leap we can can reason etc have developed so many hundreds more complexities in the same time-frame.
I think Darwin himself did believe we descended from apes but that doesn't work as scientifically, if the ape exists the human exists the inbetween stages should exist too but they don't so the above new theory was developed, were a common ancester is introduced that can be conveniently killed off, but like I said it doesn't explain things really, it sound more like someone has done the cognative dissonance thing to evolution to make it still fit.
The scientists have hit a brick wall of that of one animal type been unable to become another and they know it and the more we get deeper into the differences between one species and another at the gene level the more holes appear in the evolution theory.
I wouldn't be surprised if the evolution theory isn't disproved by the very science that apparently once proved it eventually.
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How Many Here Have Voted Since You've Left The Religion?
by minimus ini know a few that have recently registered.
what about choo?
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reniaa
Never voted, never will, I don't even want to carry a small part of the blame when a leader I voted for goes to war and kills innocent civilians sorry guys :(
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Was Law of Moses really necessary?
by cameo-d inwere people really so unfeeling and barbaric that they needed the behavioral laws of moses?.
how do you think our civizalition would be today if we had never had those laws?.
would people be better off to have been left to conscious and peer pressure to guide behavior?.
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reniaa
This is were you have to be very careful not to apply modern viewpoint to the past,
When they open up an egyptian tomb and you find all the corpses of the workers and slaves because they put them to death with there masters, This is the culture moses drew the 3 million israelite slaves from, they were used to human sacrifice and hardship a wife and children starved to death if a husband abandoned them. The laws ment more then because they protected people more. All the tribes around then worshiped baal and suchlike Gods and high places were where the human sacrifices happenned, the tribes often killed each other but the ruthlessness was part of their survival tactics, a fertile land full of "Milk and Honey" were food could be easily grown after many years in a relentless desert was a thing of massive desire.
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"Love Bombing"
by asilentone inif i say "love bombing" to the dubs, will that ring in their heads that i am apostate?.
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reniaa
The question is "What would you do if it was a pentacostal church or a baptist one etc?" I've been to a few churches to check them and "LoveBombing" is the norm for new people, so if you would accept these without undue upset but make an issue of the same treatment simply because it happens in a KH examine your motives. With all these scenarios it makes it easier if you can imagine it happening under different circumstances, so your taking a step back and viewing it from a wider perspective.
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Demons can survive in plastic.
by easyreader1970 insome time back i bought my kid an old retro computer.
it was from the early to mid eighties.
he's into that sort of thing.
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reniaa
I had something opposite happen to me, I rented a flat, when I moved in the landlord told me the tenant downstairs had commited suicide 2 weeks before, I don't know why he told me but the flat was cheap I was single and it was near the KH. I lived there for 6 months as a single person until I had to move for a new job, I was nice quiet flat. 6 months after I moved out someone said "do you remember that flat you lived in it was the top floor with attic room?" I said "yes", and they went on to show me an article in the newspaper a family had rented it after me and been forced to move because of ghosts or demons, they got an exorsist in from their local church who said it was a poltagiest of the man who commited suicide and wouldn't rest!,
I have to say I laughed and said "Guess he didn't mind Jw's because I didn't get a peep out of him.