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  Update on Candace Conti case...

  by Newly Enlightened in

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  it looks like candce's lawyer is pulling the same thing wtbt$ does.

  respondant did not file their brief on time:.

  http://appellatecases.courtinfo.ca.gov/search/case/scheduledactions.cfm?dist=1&doc_id=2025979&doc_no=a136641.

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  Wednesday, June 12 is the last day to file the brief given the missed deadline. Look for something by then.
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  Another Newbie

  by Skinnedsheep in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i recently came to the realization that the organization is corrupt and is false.

  my story is similar to many i think.

  i was raised in the religion, pioneered and served as an elder for a number of years.

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  Hi Skinnedsheep! Former elder here, born-in, etc. I was awakened in the same manner you were. It might help you to read my story that I posted on JWN because it will give you some idea of the territory you and your wife will likely traverse going forward. Best of all, it has a happy ending. Just search on "DNCall Unmasked." It's in 5 parts.

  All the best to you both.
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  JCPenney removes a billboard after.....

  by Iamallcool in

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  jcpenney removes a billboard after complaints that the tea kettle featured resembled adolf hitler.

  does it look like hitler to you?

  does it offend you?

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  I'd say it's a tempest in a teapot.
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  Candace Conti: Her respondent's brief is due on Tuesday

  by DNCall in

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  unless an extension is requested..

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  . . . unless an extension is requested.
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  British zone visit from David Splane - a report from the special meeting in Glasgow

  by slimboyfat in

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  2. friends

  well i went to a "special meeting" in the armadillo today where a 2 & 1/2 hour programme was relayed from london at 1pm.

  apparently the letters of invitation only went out a month or so ago and not all congregations were invited.

  there were 2,900 of us from around scotland.

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  Going back a few posts to the idea of the specificity of GB = FDS, I'm reminded of the lawsuit brought by Steven Unthank in Australia approximately a year ago. In his complaint he names the Faithful and Discreet Slave as a defendant. A WTS lawyer assigned to answer the complaint asserted that the Faithful and Discreet Slave is a "theological concept" and not an actual entity that can be sued. That defense wouldn't fly today. The "new light" has increased their exposure to lawsuits as well.
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  The Bible - Which books get to stay or go decided my men - cut & paste old school

  by HarryMac in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  western traditioneastern orthodox traditionoriental orthodox traditionassyrian eastern traditionbooksprotestant.

  [o 1]roman catholicgreek orthodoxslavonic orthodoxgeorgian orthodoxarmenian apostolic.

  (part of 4 esdras)no.

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  DNCall

  The WTS' published answer to when the Bible canon was established is: by the end of the First Century (i.e., before the apostacy). I don't recall any proof of this position other than the qualifiers "apparently" and "evidently." The basic teachings of the Bible are said to have been preserved by God through the centuries. It is also held that the NW translation addresses needed adjustments that have come to light in modern times, as well as to present the Bible in modern language. So far, this explanation has been satisfactory to the JWs.
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  HOT OFF THE PRESS: ZO talk in Japan

  by WinstonSmith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this is literally hot off the press as in from about half an hour ago.. we have a friend from nz (who is wavering and knows our situation) and he is on holiday in japan at the moment.

  today there was a zone overseer talk that he went to in nagoya (southern japan) and it has just finished up.

  straight after the song and still in the stadium he emailed us the info below.

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  Glad Chris Mavor is getting to travel. He has worked in the executive offices for years and plays French horn in the WT orchestra. Really nice guy. It's about time he gets some perks. IMO he's too smart not to have awakened, but like so many, his gig with WT is more appealing than what would be available to him on the outside.
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  Another Lie/Revisionist History in todays WT study!!

  by BU2B in

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  2. friends

  i caught yet another revisionist history deception in todays wt lesson.. .

  here is a quote from paragraph 4 of the 2/15/13 study edition.

  "decades before 1914, jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble.".

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  leaving_quietly: To enlarge on Billy's and "Shirley's" comments and quoting from the Bible Examiner article that you cite and link to, the time of trouble being referred to is the great tribulation, not the beginning of the trouble that would mark the "last days."

  “. . . If the Gentile Times end in 1914, (and there are many other and clearer evidences pointing to the same time) and we are told that it shall be with fury poured out; a time of trouble such as never was before, nor ever shall be; a day of wrath, etc., . . ." (Emphasis mine.) Athough there is no Scripture citation, the obvious reference is to Matthew 24:21, which the NW renders as "great tribulation." The next verse (22) talks about the salvation of the church, the elect, the anointed on earth. With reference to these the Bible Examiner says: how long before does the church escape? . . . * * * "Brethren, the taking by Christ of His Bride, is evidently, one of the first acts in the Judgment; for judgment must begin at the house of God.” This "taking of . . . His Bride" is the rapture that Russell believed in at the time.

  The Bible Examiner is referring to 1914 as beginning the Great Tribulation, the time of judgment, the expiration of the Gentile Nations' lease and their eviction--not the beginning of the troublesome "last days."

  The Watchtower study article in question is not technically right. It is intentionally deceptive and revisionist without qualification.
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  Good time for R&F to preemptively question GB validity

  by irondork in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  with the new light in the july 15 watchtower, now might be the perfect time for rank and file members to question wether or not the big boys are who they say they are.

  in light of the fact that the men who claim to be the sole channel of communication for all mankind could not even grasp their own identity for the last 100 years, wouldn't now be a good time to turn the tables on the elders who are so quick to drag a questioning dub to the back room and demand loyalty to the governing body?.

  wouldn't now be a good time to put the july 15 watchtower in the middle of the table and ask to see the credentials on these men without fear of being suspected of apostacy?

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  When I was "in," there was a sense of mystery regarding the FDS. You knew the GB was part of the FDS, but there was always the thought that there were other trusted anointed, perhaps a large body of such that they drew upon in providing guidance. Now the mystery has been removed and, as a result, has placed the GB under a microscope. They are now under much more scrutiny by the rank and file than before the "new light." From where I sit, I think they have done more harm to themselves than good. For years now, I have had the belief that they will be their own undoing.
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  I have a question for any ex or current elder or co.

  by blindnomore in

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  2. bible

  1 how long does the society keep records of publishers diciplinery actions at cong level and at the branch ?.

  2 how would you respond to the society's claim that they are not responsible for the criminal actions of the rank and file?.

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  DNCall

  Welcome Committee Chairman and Theopug.

  I knew Merton well. One time, I called the service desk and he answered. I blew through the anominity policy by making him admit his identity!