Posts by DNCall

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Will firing the DOs be the first step to a new Watchtower?

by Juan Viejo2 in

against my better judgement, i've decided to share the following as a response to guy pierce passing and the announcement of the elimination of district overseers later this year.. late in january (2014) i got an email from one of my contacts (a fader) who served at bethel for several years, but is no longer at wt hq.

he still has a lot of close contacts within the service department and in other departments at patterson and knows people in all of the ny offices.

i kept this email set aside on a flash drive and haven't shared it with anyone - figuring i'd publish an article about it later this year when i had more time to do it right.

DNCall

In years gone by, the Witnesses used to pride themselves in bucking "worldly trends." It was evidence that they were relying on Jehovah, and Jehovah was blessing and protecting them. This was offered as solid proof that the Witnesses were God's only approved religion. Successfully going counter to the trends of the day, doctrinally, socially and economically, was possible prior to the digital age.

Not so any more.

Those who discern the leadership adjusting to survive in today's world, will realize that God is not blessing and protecting their organization. I think it's safe to say that the inevitable "new Watchtower" will have fewer members.

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I did it !!!!

by snare&racket in

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7 years ago i started on a path i had long ago given up on as impossible.

i met with my elders and told them i could not justify carrying on as a jw.

i went and got my high school qualifications and my higher education diploma (a levels with distinction) in just 12 months.

DNCall

Bravo, for pursuing such a noble profession. May you help more that you can count and may your rewards be many!

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I'm not trying to brag, but being an EXJW is awesome!!! Status Update-

by Coffee House Girl in

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hello jwn!

i don't get to check in here or comment as often as i would like because i have been working so hard at school...but i just have to share my news in hopes that newbees can see that taking the leap to enroll in higher education is worth it-.

i am graduating this spring with a bachelor degree in art history, minor anthropology...many people (including nonjw's have given me flack for choosing a "dead end" career path) but since leaving the watchtower organization's group-think mentality and "leaning on my own understanding" instead... i decided to say fuck everyone else's opinion...i am going to pursue my passion to work in a museum as a curator or archivist-.

DNCall

Great news. Best of success!

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Hello

by GoUnion in

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hello everyone it's nice to finally be able to post i had trouble getting emails last month and was never able to sign up.

this has been a very informative site which has really helped me grow and to think for myself.

please allow me to introduce myself.. i was born into a witness family and was baptized at a young age an was part of a small kingdom hall.

DNCall

Welcome. Take your time to determine what you believe. Assuming you're still married, I hope your awakening will have a positive impact on your marriage. Life is so much better without the burden of the WT religion.

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PRINCE: The Jehovah's Witness Hypocrisy

by Perversion of a truth in

just saw this... definately worth a few laughs.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmd_twvvvgq.

DNCall

As of a couple of years ago, Prince was attending the Beverly Hills Congregation where he is referred to as Brother Nelson. I attended that congregation for over 40 years. The elders there are quite vocal about "upholding Jehovah's standards." So for me personally, the double standard afforded Prince really stands out.

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Faders- if I can do it, you can do it too!

by dissonance_resolved in

hi all- haven't posted much lately but i wanted to check in and give an update on my fade.

all of the advice i've received here has been spot on so far!

phase i is complete- i'm completely inactive, no service or meetings in a few months.

DNCall

Wanted to check and see how you were doing. I'm glad things are going as they are. Sounds like you are proceeding in a sensible manner. Best of success going forward!

F.

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Marriage Consummation - emailed question has me stumped

by jwfacts in

i received an email from a jw that got married, but the wife never had sex with him.

they were together for a period of years.

he told the elders, but they said there was nothing that could be done.

DNCall

Do you know that he was disfellowhipped for adultery? He may have been disfellowshipped for abandonment, which it sounds like this was.

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Purged songs of the Watchtower

by LogCon in

my memory of singing the kingdom songs go back to when i was a child in the 1950's.

they still hold a place in my memory and my heart.

how can something that is so much a part of your childhood not stay embedded in your heart.?.

DNCall

ShirleyW: You'll be interested to know that the dedication song you liked (and I did too) was a favorite of David Splane's. He asked us to write a similar song for the current songbook. I left before attempting one, but maybe one of the others gave it a go.

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Purged songs of the Watchtower

by LogCon in

my memory of singing the kingdom songs go back to when i was a child in the 1950's.

they still hold a place in my memory and my heart.

how can something that is so much a part of your childhood not stay embedded in your heart.?.

DNCall

The songs that were purged were either from the classics (there were melodies from Beethoven, Chopin, Von Weber and Brahms) or hymns from other religions. One of my favorites from the green songbook was the last one. I think it was called "Blessed Zion."

After being out for about eight years, the songs from the green song book are the ones that stick. For me, it was some of the first music I ever heard. Later in life I came to appreciate that the four-part harmony arrangements were well-written and the melodies were easily sung.

Emma: If I'm the composer you're talking about, not only were my songs not expunged from the latest songbook, but three or more were added.

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Why do the Governing Body do it ??

by Phizzy in

when i was an active jw the constant demands for loyalty and obedience to the gb used to really annoy me, and mrs phizzy.. why on earth do they do it in such a shrill, screaming and obvious way ?.

they sound like spoilt kids, "you must play the game our way".. it was partly that constant harping that really helped me to wake up, i came to see just how much they had usurped the place of jesus.. surely it is counter-productive to do the demands as they do, loud and blatant.

they could get the same results with a seemingly humble attitude, after all, the new pope is the vicar of christ by title, but he comes over as humble..

DNCall

I certainly agree with everything that has been stated so far. Unless I have missed it, there is another element to consider.

These men worked very hard and sacrificed quite a lot to get where they are. This, combined with the ambition it takes to get where they are, can lead to a judgmental attitude toward those who are less-motivated. In times past, there were GB members who were less amibitious, but who rose through the ranks due to natural ability, experience and the quality of their work. These tended to be less judgmental and more moderate. They are all gone.

What we now have are ambitious, hard-working men who were promoted by GB members of like temperament. As they admit, they are imperfect humans and the human tendency for such like is demanding the same ambition and hard work from others. Anything less than that is judged harshly. After all, everyone's life is on the line.

Simply stated, self righteousness is part of the reason the GB behaves as it does.