My wife would have me drawn and quartered without question if she found out I was reading and posting on this message board. I think literally her brain would explode.
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easyreader1970
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It Wasn't Me on the YouTube Videos...
by jamiebowers ini just posted them on jwd in response to terry's experience at the dc.
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Thanks for posting them, though. I am glad I watched them. I felt that the end was disappointing. The guy ended up vindicating the witnesses by himself causing the disruption. Had he remained calmly throughout, even at the end, instead of losing his cool, he had an opportunity to show them for who they are a little better. Since he exploded at the end he only made himself look like an "angry demon posessed apostate", even though he was treated unfairly for the entire time he was there. For people who did not see the video and witnessed the event live, he just appeared to be a crazy.
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Did anyone get told that they 'think about things too much'?
by jambon1 inin the very early days of my explaining to certain witnesses my doubts, i kind of ran through all of them.
they probobly merged into one big hodge-podge of apostate doubting nonsense.
- the nephilim penis size, the animals in the ark, the she bears killing the kids, davids baby being killed by god for his adultery, jesus sacrifice not really being a sacrifice, the torture of jw's in the camps, appointment of elders, the changing doctrines.........but more than a few elders/rank & file witnesses told me that i "think about stuff too much".
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easyreader1970
The WBTS has said on many occasions that thinking about certain things to the extreme (especially things that they themselves cannot answer) is a waste of energy. Energy that could be used in FIELD SERVICE.
One horrible example I remember of this had to do with the confusion of whether or not animals originally ate vegetation only. The Bible seems to indicate that animals only ate vegetation until after the FLOOD. That's the story that the WBTS is going with. I can't remember if this was a legitimate article or if this was a Questions from Readers article but it went something like this:
If all animals (that did not evolve, by the way) were all herbivores, how do you explain things like claws and flesh ripping teeth? The Watchtower response? These could have been used for more than one purpose. Even humans have hands that can be used to kill prey or for other purposes.
The OBVIOUS next question is: What about creatures that have features that can ONLY be used for ONE purpose: to kill other animals. Venomous spiders and snakes, for example. Why would they ever need to bite and inject deathly venom into something if they were never going to eat it? What about animals that are poisonous to KEEP other animals from eating them?
The answer? Well, we don't know. Focus your attention on spiritual matters.
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Why pray for God's kingdom to come?
by easyreader1970 ini never did understand why one should have to pray for god's kingdom to come.
i mean, isn't it going to come whether you pray for it or not?
what is the point in asking god to bring something that he is going to bring anyway whether you want him to or not?
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easyreader1970
I never did understand why one should have to pray for God's kingdom to come.
I mean, isn't it going to come whether you pray for it or not? What is the point in asking God to bring something that he is going to bring anyway whether you want him to or not?
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What is the shortest prayer you have ever heard in the KH?
by asilentone inone time, a elder said like "heavenly father jehovah, thank you for the meetings.
i pray thru jesus name amen" i was so stunned it was a very short prayer.
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I heard that exact short prayer once. We had an older brother (he's dead now) who was a stickler about meeting times. We also had other brothers (you all know them) that don't care that it's time for the meeting to end, they'll keep going on entertaining questions until everybody has had a chance to have their say. I was in an elders/MS meeting once where this older brother said that the meetings are supposed to end ON TIME.
The very next Watchtower study, the conductor once again was trailing over. The older brother was in the back of the hall, underneat the clock. He was pointing at the clock and waving because they should have started the closing song five minutes ago. This older brother is also the one who was assigned the closing prayer for this meeting. After the song, he went up and said "Heavenly father Jehovah, thank you for this meeting in Jesus' name, amen."
As I mentioned, this brother is dead now but he was one of the most outspoken, unfearing brother I ever remember seeing in the "Truth" for all the time I was a believer. I had alot of respect for him because of that.
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My first "apostasy" mission
by easyreader1970 inyesterday was my first small attempt at "apostasy".
i thought i did a very good job of it myself.
i had some interesting results.. i tried on two people: my wife (the biggest, baddest jw you could ever come up against) and my mother (who used to be but has cooled in the past ten or twelve years or so).
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Yesterday was my first small attempt at "apostasy". I thought I did a very good job of it myself. I had some interesting results.
I tried on two people: My wife (the biggest, baddest JW you could ever come up against) and my mother (who used to be but has cooled in the past ten or twelve years or so).
I recently learned through a youtube video that one of the ancient Egyptian symbols for Ra, the sundisk, was on some early copies of Watchtower literature. This was good for me to learn because it wasn't directly tied to any "apostate teachings". If I brought some other WBTS information out that I could only have learned by talking to another "apostate" I might have my cover blown. This was an innocent "discovery."
My wife already knows I am heavily into ancient anthropology and I specifially love the societies in ancient Egypt, Babylon, etc.
First I brought to my hardcore wife's attention that the sundisk was used on the cover of early Watchtower literature. I explained to her that this was the symbol of the Egyptian god Ra. As predicted, at first she glossed over. Then she responded in a way that would make the WBTS proud. The early Christians had gotten alot of things wrong back then but since then the light has gotten brighter.
Later that evening I went to my mother's house. She actually owns physical copies of some of these hundred year old publications and she has some of them on display. I told her the same thing. She responded: "I know." Then she told me something that shocked me. "Did you also know that Russell's grave was decorated with an Egyptian pyramid?" She went on about some other things she learned "on the internets". I was somewhat shocked but I didn't let it show. Could it be that she is really showing signs of thinking for herself?
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Make Christianity make sense
by easyreader1970 insome time passes.. god: noah.. noah: yeah, god?.
jesus: yeah.
jesus: yeah.
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Thanks for the kind words. I wrote that when I was trying to make Christianity make sense to me and not just the WBTS version of it, either. I simplified it down to what it basically is and then that is the way it played out in my head. It just doesn't make any sense when you sit down and think about it.
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Am I the only one that Cannot PAY ATTENTION to Jehovah?
by Sparkplug innow i hate to sound as add as i am, but usually if i read something twice i can make myself focus if i am wandering.
but everytime i start to read anything that has something to do with the wtbts i cannot get it even after repeated attempts.
it is as if charlie browns mom is right in my ear and my mind will not register.
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easyreader1970
It happens to me, too. For the past year or so, the literature doesn't even make SENSE. It's like letters jumbled together.
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Did You Ever "Rat" Anyone Out To The Elders?
by minimus inafter you told on someone, did you feel like a snitch?
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easyreader1970
I would never, ever rat out ANYONE unless I felt that someone's LIFE was in DANGER. Outside of that, I really don't care what you do in your spare time, whether that be buying PORN or sneaking CIGARETTES in the woods behind your house.
My wife is a ZEALOT, though. In her lifetime she has ratted more than one person out. She will go to them and tell them that she knows something or she saw them do something to give them the opportunity to COME CLEAN. If they don't, she is reporting them.
She has only done this I think once since I have been married but she has informed me she has done it a few times as a teenager or young adult, even with one of her FRIENDS.
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Make Christianity make sense
by easyreader1970 insome time passes.. god: noah.. noah: yeah, god?.
jesus: yeah.
jesus: yeah.
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The more I think about it, the less sense it makes. So the story as I see it goes like this.
GOD: Adam and Eve, you are horrible human beings. You chose to disobey me with your free will and now I will punish you and all of your offspring. I give you IMPERFECTION and DEATH.
ADAM: Isn't there anything we can do to make up for our mistake? I mean, we were tricked by a TALKING SNAKE. How could we have seen THAT coming?
GOD: Sorry. But I still want you to go with my ORIGINAL plan of multiplying and filling the earth, but I just want you to do it with CURSED OFFSPRING instead. That'll teach you to do what I told you not to.
ADAM: Damn.
Some time passes.
GOD: Noah.
NOAH: Yeah, God?
GOD: People suck.
NOAH: Not me! I am a preacher of righteousness!
GOD: What does that even mean? Anyway, everybody else sucks.
NOAH: Well, I mean, you DID curse us. How could we NOT suck?
GOD: I'm killing EVERYBODY but you.
NOAH: Everybody? What happened to filling the earth?
GOD: Right. Okay, your family can go. Maybe if I start over with you, people will fare better than ADAM's offspring.
NOAH: Will we still be FLAWED?
GOD: Of course.
NOAH: Then what will be the difference?
GOD: Just build the boat, dammit. And pile all the animals into it. Here is a list of what animals to get.
NOAH: Where the hell am I supposed to find a PENGUIN? I don't even know what s KANGAROO is!
GOD: You're a smart kid, figure it out.
NOAH: Damn.
More time passes and people continue to suck. MOSES makes a brief appearance but nothing gets any better.
GOD: Jesus.
JESUS: Yeah, Pop?
GOD: People are still sucking. They aren't getting any better.
JESUS: Yeah. Remember that one time when we kicked them out of the GARDEN and refused to allow them to come back? You totally screwed them.
GOD: Why do people keep bringing that up? They were DISOBEDIENT!
JESUS: Yeah.
GOD: I need for you to go make it right for them.
JESUS: How do you propose I do that? Do you want me to take their sins away with my powers?
GOD: Well, sort of. I'm going to have you go down there to be brutally murdered by them.
JESUS: Wait, what?
GOD: The only way I can fix this is if I sacrifice YOU for them. That will take away their SINS.
JESUS: The ONLY way? Can't you just snap your fingers or something? Wiggle your nose?
GOD: That's not very dramatic and you know it.
JESUS: What do I have to do?
GOD: Go tell people about me and how merciful and loving I am.
JESUS: That all?
GOD: Heal a couple of people here and there to show that you mean business.
JESUS: And then what?
GOD: I'll have some people NAIL you to a TREE and then I'll bring you back to life.
JESUS: Damn.
Time goes by and Jesus returns to heaven.
JESUS: Holy CRAP that hurt. Where is the TYLENOL? Anyway, it's DONE. Are they all SINLESS now?
GOD: Well, not really.
JESUS: But I just got STAKES driven through my BODY. By the way where is BARABBAS?
GOD: I know but they're still sinning. NOW I just want them to pray to me. I'll get around to making them perfect later.
JESUS: But you could've done that without me getting speared, then, couldn't you?
GOD: Drama. People like drama. I created them so they would like it. They'll think about your sacrifice and think of ME.
JESUS: Um, about that ...
GOD: What?
JESUS: Well, apparently, the people down there now think that I am GOD. So even though I SPECIFICALLY TOLD THEM to pray to OUR FATHER, they think I am GOD.
GOD: How the hell did THIS happen?
JESUS: I am not sure. But they definitely think I am GOD. In fact your NAME isn't in their scriptures at ALL.
GOD: Jesus Christ, well did you at least give the REVELATION to JOHN?
JESUS: It doesn't make any sense. I thought it was a mistake, something from your dream diary.
GOD: But did you give it to him?
JESUS: No, but I will shortly.
GOD: Good.
JESUS: It's just that it's full of crazy scenes and stuff that don't make any sense. How are people supposed to understand all of that?
GOD: What did I tell you about drama?