Thank you Skully for your kind words,
Its sad when my entire family who should be upset by the whole thing actually encouraged it. Im really not sure any amount of reasoning would have changed his mind. I dont think a devout J.W. would change his way of thinking if you had a room full of therapists.
Thanks again,
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36Answer from a JW friend about blood
by uncle_onion inthis is what a jw friend sent to me.
i had got him to read the latest letters on blood that were posted last week.i can t believe he read them.
this is his reply (typos and all).
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Average age of apostates survey.
by sleepy ini thought it might be a good idea to find out at what age or after how long we descided to leave the watchtower.. prehaps we my find a patern in it which we could use .. i think what we need to know are ,.
1.age you left the watchtower.
(or age you found out it was wrong).
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I was about 17 when I had doubts
I was about 28 when I knew it was false
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Can I Introduce..'Rummy'...New Poster
by ISP inyes, i would like to introduce a long standing friend of mine who has stopped attending meetings.
he missed out on education opportunities because he pioneered at 16. he stopped when he was 24. by then it had taken its toll.
it had cost him his marriage.. isp
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I dont think weve been formally introduced,,,,
HELLO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh,yea, I havnt been formally introduced to any of you , Oh well
Here I am, Take me or Take me.
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EnglishMan - About Seeing You This Friday?
by Celtic indear englishman.
friends of mine are driving up to exeter this coming friday.
i'd really like the opportunity of meeting up with you to discuss more fully the business initiatives which i have been working upon, please would that at all be possible?.
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Is this a pyramid thing?
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Answer from a JW friend about blood
by uncle_onion inthis is what a jw friend sent to me.
i had got him to read the latest letters on blood that were posted last week.i can t believe he read them.
this is his reply (typos and all).
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Solace
plmkrzy;
Thanks for responding, I do feel the same way, but its easy for us to say "Im accepting Blood, who cares about the society, Go ahead disfellowship me." In reality most of these witnesses dont know a hillabeans about red or white blood cells, let alone basophils,neurophils etc.etc. nor do they care. Most of these are not educated people (thanks to the teaching of not continuing education) How convenient. As in my grandfathers case, when you have been a J.W. your entire life. You are talking 3 or 4 generations of J.W. family members all in the Org. because we were born into to it, staring at you while you ponder the thought of accepting blood. Not to mention the 2 members of the liazon (Sorry I have no idea how to spell that)comittee who didnt leave his bedside the entire time, ready to be judge and jury if he didnt do what they said was permitted. What would someone do? Before my grandfather died, he said his family, not the W.T.S, was the most important thing to him. I dont think he gave a rats ass about the society. But, the W.T.S. would make sure that if he accepted blood he would lose the most important thing to him because his family would have to totally ignore him, or risk being disfellowshipped themselves. I felt like I was in a room full of people who wanted to kill my grandfather, while my sister and I were whispering to him "just take my blood, it wont matter, it doesnt count, we wont tell anyone". Nothing worked but he did start to cry when we brought it up, I think maybe if we had him alone for awhile,, who knows... I do know The Org. sure put their mind control thinking caps on when they made the shunning rule because my family could care less about what the rules are, they will follow them untill they die, whatever they are or continue to evolve into as the years progress. The Card signing issue just makes me sick. Excuse me, while I grab the wastebasket.
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A Taste For Blood.
by Englishman inwould you eat blood voluntarily, if it was, say, a major constituent in a food that you found to be particularly tasty?.
truth exists;only falsehood has to be invented.
-georges braque
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Solace
I think most people know we have all consumed blood at one point or another, whether it be your own, animal blood-meat, or your mothers in her breast milk. Sorry, had to bring that one up again. I dont crave it or anything but I certainly dont think you would be judged by God for eating it, unless it involved sacrificing humans or somthing. I think that J.W. teaching is getting pretty old. It frustrates me when I think about it because having it repeated to me over and over throughout my life, I might still have a hard time accepting a blood transfusion without feeling at least some guilt. On the other hand I wouldnt think twice of letting my children have whatever medical treatment was necessary to keep them alive.
Anyway, I guess its a touchy subject with me. It really bothers me that people are willing to die because of it. P.S. Cool Breeze;
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Christmas and other Holidays?
by lv4fer inhow can you go back to celebrating the holidays after you leave the organization.
don't you still feel that they are pagan?
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Answer from a JW friend about blood
by uncle_onion inthis is what a jw friend sent to me.
i had got him to read the latest letters on blood that were posted last week.i can t believe he read them.
this is his reply (typos and all).
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Blood,Blood,Blood,,,Blah,Blah,Blah,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Im just sick to my stomach that these people think they can make decisions like these involving other peoples lives. People are dead and they could care less....I read somewhere that someone sued their church for not presenting Jesus in person as promised by their priest. I wonder, could we sue the society for loss of life, since victims were brainwashed by the Org. or is it considered their own free will since they signed the damn blood card.??? -
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23 Years Later, My First Sheperding Call..........
by YHWHWho inrecently while passing by my front door i observed 2 witness's coming to my door, as well as a whole mini van packed with more.
apparently it was again time to do the 5 year service of the town i live in.
well, me being me, i continued on and plopped down on the couch and grabbed the remote.
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I havnt been visited much since I found out the truth about the Org. When they do come, I usually just fill their heads with questions to bring back to their elders since they can never answer them. For some reason the same people never return. I havnt gotten up the nerve to give them any incriminating liturature. I actually feel sorry for them out there in the cold. Especially the older ones. The only thing that makes me feel better is knowing they honestly believe they are helping people.. Poor little Watchtower servants...
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Christmas and other Holidays?
by lv4fer inhow can you go back to celebrating the holidays after you leave the organization.
don't you still feel that they are pagan?
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Being raised a J.W. I never celebrated a holiday untill now. I think J.W.s place too much importance on keeping people from celebrating. I can honestly say that growing up we spent more time talking about not celebrating holidays than any of the 10 commandments. Maybe its because its constantly comming up throughout the year. Anyway, I tell my family that I think its all about tradition, celebrating the birth of Jesus and being with your family. To me, having a Christmas tree up is like having any other decoration in my home at any other time of the year and when I start worshipping it then they can have reason to worry, untill then, I dont want to hear a word about it. I am not going to have my children grow up with the huge guilt trip I had for accepting Christmas gifts, eating B-day cake etc. Also, if you think about it, by having you refuse to celebrate holidays with your family this is another way for the Org. to distance you from your unbelieving family which makes you even more dependant on their Org. They say "We are your spiritual family, thats all you need". I didnt feel this way overnight or anything. The first time I had a Christmas tree in my home I felt so much guilt I was almost physically sick. I think back now at how much anxiety I felt over nothing. There are so many more important issues to be worried about. Oh, and its great fun with the kids too! Gotta go now, were filling out our Valentine cards!