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  Disfellowshipping Child Abusers

  by TheMatrix in

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  i have a question on the issue of child abusers within the organization.. i know that it should be reported to the authorities as it is a crime against human laws, but it is also a sin against jehovah so it must handled theocratically also.. my question is: should a child abuser be disfellowshipped from the christian congregation?

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  Of course. But first priority goes to secular justice and protection of children. Jehovah can mete out his justice in "His due time."

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  Question about the UADNA

  by Insider in

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  it the uadna an organized group?.

  who founded the uadna?.

  how many members of the uadna?.

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  Under the Freedom of Information Act, and at great personal risk, I have uncovered the truth here.

  Sirona is no mere "european supporter" of UADNA. She is a member of the Unseen Apostate Directorate, European Union. That's right, Sirona is part of the dark power behind UADEU:UK!

  I am still trying to ferret out the command structure, and just how deeply these Apostate Directorates have insinuated themselves into the corridors of power around the world. So far I have uncovered UAD operatives in various world governments, the entertainment industry, and the burgeoning Sticky Note manufacturing industry.

  I have prepared a comprehensive dossier, and should I disappear, the press of the world (those not controlled by the UAD) will be notified.

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  GET READY TO MEET YOUR GOD!

  by You Know in

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  2. child-abuse

  get ready to meet your god o israel, is no doubt a meaningless phrase to those who have no fear of god.

  those who in their presumptuousness imagine that there will not be a day when jehovah settles accounts with his people can only be described as faithless and apostate.

  but, for those who fear god the prospect of jehovahs impending judgment both fills one with dread and awe.

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  YouKnow, I almost feel bad for giving you a hard time, because you gave me a good laugh in Alan's thread about Amazing, but....

  Lemme geuss, October, right?

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  Vi's Essay......

  by VioletAnai in

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  2. friends

  hi everyone.. as i think about all the conversations and laughs i've had here over the last six months, it makes me smile.

  there are some very genuine, loving people here and i wish you all a wonderful future no matter what you choose to do.. although i have had some terrible experiences with the witnesses, i can't ignore what i feel.

  i love jehovah and if i have to associate with the wtbts so be it!

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  I respect your decision. At least you'll be one of the few JWs who actually listened to both sides before making a decision.

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  who's a member of PLN in here?

  by mommy_rose in

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  2. friends

  please post what the jdubs think of the dateline show.. www.purelanguage.net

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  I was actually a little pleasantly surprised (though, if I hear the "in His due time" line one more time, I'll scream)

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  Amazing Survived Major Heart Attack

  by AlanF in

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  2. friends

  i just spoke on the phone to amazing (jim whitney) who is in intensive care in a chicago hospital.

  on monday he had a major heart attack, had a stint put in an artery to unblock things and may have bypass surgery.

  he's comfortable enough right now, but of course will have to make some big lifestyle changes.

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  wow.

  Alan, if possible, might it be feasible to post the address of the hospital? I'm sure he'd appreciate a card or three.

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  HERE'S WHAT JW ELDERS DO TO LITTLE GIRLS

  by crawdad2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  they question her, in private, all alone with her.... then the questioning keeps breaking down the little girl, so she crys, and they watch, making her describe every detail of the sex act......while she crys..... they want more exact details of where here tounge was............. while she crys....... then they go to a room for 5 min and come back and tell her she doesn't have 2 witnesses, and that she should just keep quite about the matter.. and if she says anything about the matter at all, she will be punished........."then"... she has to go "home" and face "daddy" the "petophile"...... daddy is kind of mad.... do you get the picture yet????????????????????????????????????.

  meanwhile daddy is asked to give a part on the assembly.. and little girl has learned to not tell-on daddy........ever again, or she might "die".

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  amac,

  This has already descended beyond any use. I'd like to sum up my beef, then I'll leave the last word to you.

  I think you've been guilty of what you're accusing crawdad of. Sure there were implications in his post. But you're the one who took it to such an extreme. He didn't say, nor by my reading imply, that ALL elders were like those described. Yet you've repeatedly taken his argument to that extreme in order to debunk it.

  You call his post a generalization, and I'd agree to that. Then again, you'd have a hard time finding a thread on any DB with no generalizations. I disagree that he is accusing ALL elders of this conduct or attitude. I called you an your exagerration, and you repeated it. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree on that point.

  I understand that you're the skeptical type, but to decry his implications (by adding implications of your own--not to mention a nifty littly implication to Sabine's post) seems unfair.

  The rest of our posts feature increasing (or descending, depending on one's perspective) levels of sarcasm and don't really deserve comment.

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  One Question JWs Should Ask Themselves

  by Eutapro in

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  2. friends

  do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?

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  $$$Do I want to be able to think for myself?$$$

  No one ever truly thinks for themselves. There is always some type of conditioning at work in one's life. But there is a certain proper type of autonomy that all should desire. But the idea is interdependence and not independence in an absolute way.

  Congratulations, duns, you've become an apostate. Not only do you bracket all your quotes in $$$ (a sure sign of greed, and thus apostacy) but you openly contradict the society. You speak of autonomy, but the society inculcates complete reliance on, and subservience to, the GB. Anyone who publically promoted interdependence (ignoring the teamwork involved in passing bricks at a quick-build) would be ousted as an apostate. Welcome aboard the apostate train!

  $$$Do I want to be able to show love to whomever I wish--even if they disagree with me on some things?$$$

  Non draws the line when it comes to those who hate Jehovah and those that practice sin. Non do not want to be buddy buddy and hobknob with worldings who cuss, drink too much, are homosexual or who fornicate. If you hang with the ungodly, guess what you gonna be.

  Then why do you have such a problem with reforms that would protect the congregation from pedophiles? Oh, that's right... I cussed and said REFORM--the nastiest of words. Tell you what, let's call it 'new light' and make some changes.

  $$$Do I want to be allowed to question what I hear?$$$

  jw already are allowed to question what they hear. Non does it all the time.

  OK, now publically, OUT LOUD, in front of other JWs, question even the tiniest issue. I don't mean a question in the sense of a fact-finding question. Dare to question CRITICALLY something completely harmless like the no-beards issue, and see how often you're counciled for independent thinking. Questioning it internally might eventually lead to your freedom, but that doesn't apply to this situation.

  $$$Do I want to be able to speak out publically against wrongdoing, not keep quiet because it might make Jehovah's Perfect Organization look bad?$$$

  This is an example of a question that is loaded and improperly framed.

  Tell that to the elders who, when confronted with obvious miscarriages of any sense of justice, say "I can't speak out against this... I'll lose my position!"

  
  

  Give non a break.

  Would a compound fracture suffice?

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  introduction

  by darkwanderer in

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  2. friends

  hi, i'm new....and i am searching for a place to call home..... i was raised in a strict catholic family....sexually abused by a jesuit priest....left the church....married....was baptized a witness in 1975...regular pioneered for about 5 and a half years (1988 to 1994)...quit that...diagnosed depressed....have slowly drifted away....and now...with the news of what is happening within the organization and offenders and pedophiles....i find that i can't stay in the organization....i can't be a part of something that so closely resembles the catholic church and all their deceptiveness.... i have no "home"...... thanks for listening....

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  This is very much like a family here. I think you will feel at home.

  What she means is we fight a lot.

  If I might do a little mindreading, you sound like you'd like to go back, but just can't because of the issues there. Might I suggest reading Ray Franz' Crisis of Conscience? It has helped many people confirm what they already knew... leaving was the best thing for them.

  Welcome,
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  One Question JWs Should Ask Themselves

  by Eutapro in

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  2. friends

  do i want to be like the ex-jws on this board?

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  An excellent question.

  Do I want to be able to think for myself?

  Do I want to be able to show love to whomever I wish--even if they disagree with me on some things?

  Do I want to be allowed to question what I hear?

  Do I want to be able to speak out publically against wrongdoing, not keep quiet because it might make Jehovah's Perfect Organization look bad?

  The list goes on and on...

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