Posts by StoneWall

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First century vs Today

by gutted in

i was discussing doctrine with my mom, to try to get her to see things in another way.

unfortunately things got heated.

she obviously has doubts, but seems to be of the thinking of better not to question and just go along.. she did make a good point though.

StoneWall

These ones also made mistakes (apostles, David, cicumcision issue, Paul's issues with brothers, etc.),

and they continued in Gods favour

Couldn't all religions claim the same thing then based on this. That they make mistakes because they are sinful/imperfect

but still curry God's favor?

What does her own bible say? Ask her how many times the first century christians picked dates for the end to come.

Then have her read Luke 21:8 from her NWT:"He said: “Look out that YOU are not misled; for many will come on the

basis of my name, saying, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The due time has approached.’ Do not go after them"

Then after reading that scripture to her from the society's own translation of the bible, ask her how many times has the

Watchtower society (J.W.'s) claimed that the end was at hand? Ask her if the years 1914,1925,1975 etc. ring a bell?

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Audio Tape: Judicial Committee Meeting with Rick and Laverne Townsend

by Lady Liberty in

good morning everyone, "happy sunday"!!

:d. i thought i would post this for all the newer ones who may have never listened to this audio...as it is one i listened to when i was first exiting, and has stuck in my memory...it is excellent!!!

so pour your self a nice hot cup of coffee, and enjoy!!

StoneWall

Good morning to you Lady Liberty!

I would like to state that for me personally this was the biggest turning point in my early part of my fading away from

the WT organization.

After I heard this audio of Rick and Laverne's judicial committee, it was at that time that I knew there was no going

back for me. Rick handled this with much dignity,courage and was very adept at using the scriptures to defend his

stance on issues.

I wish that all witnesses as well as ex-witnesses had the chance to listen to this audio.

I keep a copy that I burned to a cd in my file cabinet in case anything ever happens to the originals or gets pulled from

the internet for whatever reason.

I would love to someday be able to meet both Rick and Laverne and express my appreciation in person to them for

helping me to see the truth about the so called "truth".

I must agree that the truth does set you free.

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Why are all religions (including J.W.'s) afraid to perform the "Elijah test" recorded at 1 Kings 18:21-39?

by StoneWall in

to set the stage this was were elijah had the people gathered together at mt.carmel,along with the.

450 prophets of baal and the 400 prophets of the sacred pole.

it was a test to prove to the people .

To set the stage this was were Elijah had the people gathered together at Mt.Carmel,along with the
450 prophets of Baal and the 400 prophets of the sacred pole. It was a test to prove to the people
who the true God was and also show who was following him.

Elijah made a big spectacle over this by not only gathering the people together but even going so
far as to cast disparaging remarks and mocking the prophets of baal by saying their god must
be"in the privy(toilet) ,or maybe he is asleep and ought to wake up."(verse 27) and that is why
he didn't come and consume the bull offering.

To make a long story short, Elijah finally calls on his god Jehovah, and his God in verse 38 causes
a fire to come and consume not only the bull offering but all the wood,stones and the dust as well as
the water in trenches it licked up. Thus showing to all gathered who the true God was and who his
followers were.

My question is this:
If the churches claim to be following this same all powerful God,and he is the same yesterday,
today and forever, then shouldn't they be able to perform this same test?
Or will they look for an excuse such as we have the bible now and they didn't back then.
Or that you shouldn't put God to the test. (yet 'evidently' it was ok for Elijah to put him to the test)

Are they afraid that the test may show their god to be sleeping as Elijah said of Baal?

Any thoughts,comments or viewpoints on this?

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How long will I be an exJW vs a fomer JW?

by AllTimeJeff in

jw
friends

drew sagan in a recent post (he recently graduated college) said this, something that i agree with and frankly, think about often.

to those of you who feel that you need to "help others" in the watchtower i give you this word of caution.

be careful, because that may simply be an excuse you are using to remain stuck in the past.

StoneWall

My question is this then:

If someone was married and then got divorced...how long in their life would they be considered an ex-husband or ex-wife?

(unless they remarried their former spouse)

Even tho they are an ex-husband or ex-wife it doesn't mean it occupies their whole life or way of thinking.

But ever now and then someone else may be fixing to go through a divorce and it brings back the memories and heartache

of the person that has already gone through the ordeal.

And then they can offer words of encouragement,support, or just let the new ones know that life does go on after the

divorce and with all the hurt,pain, and depression they are currently feeling it does get better with time.

Same thing with being a ex-JW. You can always help the new ones that are having to deal with all this emotional trauma

of exiting what they at one time in their life felt like was the truth.

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Dub....dubs ?

by upnorth in

jw
friends

i've seen that----> (dubs or dub) used quite a few times but haven't connected it to anything.. could someone 'splain it to me.

.

thanks, it's early spring time uphere and my brain is not completely thawed.

StoneWall

dub is an expression used on here to refer to JW's.

sorta like George W.(dubya) Bush.. :)

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The "feel good" thread

by StoneWall in

jw
friends

what are some things you are looking forward to doing that really make you feel good?.

i got the brakes all changed on our mountain bikes(bicycles not motorcycles) yesterday so i'm hoping the weather.

holds out so we can go biking later on today.. since it's now the month of may, later on this month looking forward to grilling out,camping, hiking, boating and various.

StoneWall

What are some things you are looking forward to doing that really make you feel good?

I got the brakes all changed on our mountain bikes(bicycles not motorcycles) yesterday so I'm hoping the weather

holds out so we can go biking later on today.

Since it's now the month of May, later on this month looking forward to grilling out,camping, hiking, boating and various

other water related activites that I've only been able to dream about through the long winter we had.

I so love the warm weather.

How about you guys/gals? What makes you feel good?

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How much has YOUR APPEARANCE changed over the years?

by Terry in

jw
friends

place your before and after photo.

must be at least 15 years difference betwen the two.. .

.

StoneWall

Terry if this was under the members only sections instead of the public "friends" threads it may have had more pics

by now. Just my observation. Many don't want to be outed by having their pics on the public side and yet will often

post them under the member only sections. I can understand the reasoning since any casual passerby perusing this site

would have access to it then.

Just my .02

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LOVE your ENEMIES: where Jesus goes wrong

by Terry in

matthew 5:44 "but i say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,.

luke 6:35 "but love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return.

the most radical teaching attributed to jesus has implications if followed.. an invading hoarde of mongols would not be resisted.. a christian husband would not only allow his wife and daughters to be raped; he would be compelled to forgive the rapist, pray for him and offer.

StoneWall

What about the principle of practicing what you preach?

Why is it said to us to continue to love our enemies and to turn the other cheek, yet when the big Armageddon

hits (if it's real) then doesn't that show that both Jesus and Jah didn't continue to love their enemies?

Matthew 5:44 "However, I say to YOU: Continue to love YOUR enemies and to pray for those persecuting YOU" [NWT]

What sense are we to take the word continue to mean? Perpetually? And if they (God and his son) can run out

of patience with their enemies then wouldn't it follow that we can too since we are 'evidently' created in their image?

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I just had my first child

by daniel-p in

jw
friends

baby girl, 6 lbs, 14 oz, 19-3/4in, looks like me they say.... still in awe... there were some complications, but mom and baby are doing good.

baby's down the hall in nicu and it still doesn't feel real.. .

StoneWall

Congrats Daniel-P

Just remember as the years tick by and that baby becomes a teen, you'll have some ups and downs but if you reflect

back on this day and how she made you feel it will keep everything in perspective.

Glad to hear mom and baby are both doing good.

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Brazilian Wax ... is it JW approved?

by sacolton in

jw
friends

what is the current "light" on this hairy subject?

is it okay for a jw to have a brazilian wax?.

StoneWall

the strip is nice...I like also the shape of an arrow pointing down :)