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  Do you think that "JW's" will get rid of the "Paradise earth" doctrine?

  by booker-t in

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  with all of the changes regarding the 1935 closing of the heavenly calling that jw's taught for over 70 years what will be the next thing to go in their doctrinal system.

  will they one day say"we were wrong the earth is going to burn up and all christians will go to heaven".

  russell was right after all and yes the "great crowd" will indeed go to heaven.nothing suprises me anymore with the jw's.

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  I agree with u_b. Paradise Earth is what help give this particular 'religion' it's own unique flavor.
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  Ever want to just name, names?

  by darth frosty in

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  any of you ever get to thinking about old friends (and the possibilty there posting or lurking here) and just want to give them a shout out?

  just be like hey i was your star trek buddy we saw all the movies together.

  or remember we used to hang out at the comic book store?.

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  hybridous

  Darth Frosty,

  Any of you ever get to thinking about old friends (and the possibilty there posting or lurking here) and just want to give them a shout out? Just be like hey I was your star trek buddy we saw all the movies together. Or remember we used to hang out at the comic book store?

  If those are your subtle hints, then I am wondering if we know/knew each other.

  Forgive me for not knowing how to stick my neck out without getting it chopped off.

  Edited for spelling
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  What do you think is behind the watchtower change in 2008 ?

  by 5go in

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  2. scandals

  i think it's an atempt to catch faders or atleast make active dubs feel special.

  it also could be a cost cutting measure to though.

  getting rid of the km's and even up awakes and watchtowers would save some trees.

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  Already been covered by previous posts, but I'll give the nod to...

  #1. MONEY. Every organization looks for costs that can be cut.

  #2. Content: Seeing that every other WT article is basically a demand for blind obedience to the Tower, these articles have a deleterious effect on a magazine that is supposed to have an appeal for public consumption. The WT can't/won't stop demanding obedience, but those articles make the magazine a bit..shall we say..unwieldy? Now they can consolidate the heavy cultish reinforcement pieces into the 'special' WT, and the benign remainder can go in the other.
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  What Are Proofs That JWs REALLY Don't Believe Their Own Rhetoric?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  jehovah's witnesses talk a big game but in reality they are filled with hot air.

  they say a lot of things but don't always back it up.

  for example, jws are told that meeting attendance is of paramount importance but the truth is anytime a meeting might be called off due to inclement weather, jws would anxiously wait by the phone from their elders saying the meetings were being canceled.. jws tell everyone that their preaching work is a "life-saving" work but the truth is they don't utilize the most effective modern ways of getting this "life-saving" message out.

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  hybridous

  My casual observations tell me that a higher percentage of JW teens are preparing for, and going to, college. And, this is happening with full support from witness parents.

  If these parents and kids really believed that a college eduaction was as valueless as the WT tells them, why would they be doing this?

  I think it's because they know better. No one will stand up and say it, but I'm sure it rattles 'round in their heads...'Those 'brothers' writing the WT don't know what they're taking about, and I'm not flushing my son's/daughter's future like my parents did to me....'

  At an almost glacial pace, regular witnesses are learning that survival means discarding or ignoring certain WT platitiudes at certain times. The absolute adherence of yesteryear's witnesses to every damn word is now an exception, not a rule, like the title of this thread implies.

  Any change, no matter how small, which damages the WT gets my applause. Call them hypocrytes, maybe they are, but a first step to getting out is realizing that you don't believe it.
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  Imagine - power to control dreams

  by KW13 in

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  imagine, you go to bed and start dreaming.

  once your in your dream however, you have control and choice over what happens... .

  sound cool?

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  I'm quite sure it's real - I do this all the time. I've experienced this since childhood; just assumed that everyone did this to some extent.
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  What leaving really means

  by under_believer in

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  recently my family had occasion to attend a function held in our honor, an event commemorating a certain achievement.

  it was thrown by close relatives, witnesses all.

  it included parents, grandparents, cousins, siblings, auties and uncles.

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  hybridous

  My compliments to everyone on this thread. This is why I keep on visiting and reading. There's always someone out there who knows how to spell things out with that undeniable flavor of truth, in a way I have not yet heard or read.

  Specifically, the posts by Steve and Trevor really make sense, even if they don't exactly say the same thing. Once I figured out that things in the JW world are as Steve says, then I couldn't fake it and go on.

  U_B, you may be different. You may find a way to continue on without throwing your life into upheaval.

  Trevor really hits home when he says: 'If the illusion we choose to live involves compromise to keep those you love then, it is as good as any. It all depends on whether you can continue to live the way you do and whether leaving would improve your life.'

  That's the way it is for me. Sometimes, keeping my family means that I have to be less than honest with them about what I really believe. Sounds horrible, but do you think that all JWs believe their whole doctrine, all of the time? It seems that all of life is the constant perpetuation of falsity. If I ever do have to face God, or whoever, and answer for lying, then at least I did what I did out of LOVE, and I'll take my punishment based on that.

  Do what you feel you must do, but remember: you are automatically USELESS to your family once the 'A'-word applies to you. Metatron gives you the most practical advice.

  It all comes down to what you can live with. I hope you find peace one way or another. I wish the best for you and your family.
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  At This Point, Would You Care If You Are or Were Disfellowshipped???

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  at this stage of "coming out" of the "truth", would it faze you if you were disfellowshipped?

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  Actually, yes, it would matter to me...

  You see, I'm trying to keep hold of the best possible relationship between me and my devout JW family. A very long time ago, as a child, I figured out that I wouldn't live happily as a Witness. That being the case, I never got baptised, but maybe I was being disingenuous...I always gave, and still give, the distinct impression that I am somewhat interested in the JW faith, but am holding back for some reason.

  This act, this...falsity...is what keeps me within a semi-normal relationship with the people I love very much. So, I've been able to keep any JW 'label' from applying to me, and therefore giving any reason for my JW family to shun me. I aimed for the 'cracks' in this sick JW belief system, and somehow, I seemed to have hit the bullseye. I have seemingly locked onto the only 'semi-honorable' exit from this miserable cult.

  So, YES, I would care if any label were to be slapped on me. It would mean strain on the relationship between me and the JW family. I'm not sure exactly what power the local Elders wield, given that I was never baptised, but that seems to be a crucial point, for some reason...
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  How secure are the GB?

  by vitty in

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  i was thinking today, how secure are the governing body?

  with all the hatred they have created over the years it wouldnt take much to send someone over the top and try to "exterminate" the ones who they feel are responsible for maybe a ruined marriage or life.. i cetainly wouldnt want to be in their shoes.

  but i wounder how they feel, do you think they feel secure and safe.

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  hybridous

  On a different note...

  I believe that these men (GB) retain their positions based on nothing more than reputation alone. What I mean by that is, haven't they been removed from positions from actual corporate leadership? So what happens if they start making decisions that are deleterious to the financial health of the WT society?

  What happens then? Could they actually be removed from their positions?
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  Why the GB are never self critical?

  by greendawn in

  1. social
  2. humour

  those pussyfooting with the devious nature of the gb of the jws should notice some strange things in their behaviour.

  they are not known to (1)have ever carried out an act of self evaluation and self criticism and accept that they were wrong in some of their actions, or (2) to accept any criticisms from jw members let alone reply to them with rational arguments.

  that is a most unchristian attitude.

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  hybridous

  
  After years of ridiculing the Catholics for the same thing, these old codgers have realised the benefits of their own Middle Age type papacy.

  The old battle-cry is the same, 'Submit to our rule, or die' except this time around they don't have the political clout to make that happen. I bet they rue the day they turned their backs on that power.

  Why aren't they self-critical? Well, any amount of introspection (where is he, anyways?) requires the acceptance of the possibility that the self may be found in error and in need of correction. In other words, where the rubber meets the road, some degree of humility is required. Since that is anathema to these dictators, there is no real prospect of self-examination or subsequent improvement. And that simple fact alone should indicate to any believer in Jesus, that these men are not led by Him.
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  Do JWs Consider You To Be An "Apostate"?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  we all know that our simply being here is considered an act of apostasy by witnesses.

  whether they know you frequent such boards or not, are you considered an "apostate" by the witnesses?

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  hybridous

  Everything I think and feel about the WT religion/cult would put me in that category. However, I was not baptized, so I was never officially a JW. I cannot be DFd (or unwillingly DAd).

  So I could unload what I know on the family, and they would say that say that I have 'apostate leanings', but I think the official term is reserved for one who has been disfellowshipped under such charges.

  My goal is actually to have the best possible relationship with the family, so I need to avoid that label and any association with it. Consequently, I bit my tongue a lot.