Posts by cameo-d

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Something Very Big May Be Happening

by metatron in

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http://www.adirondackdailyenterprise.com/page/content.detail/id/503045.html?nav=5008.

local papers report this, not national news.

speculation: either plans for martial law, in the event of economic collapse ( something rumored to be discussed discretely in congress, if the bailout fails) or pakistan's nukes.

cameo-d

Is the food bank affiliated with a church group or "christian assoc."? I think most food supplies in the near future will only be distributed to people who are card carrying church affiliates.

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Will Atheists be Targeted as "The Anti-Christ"?

by cameo-d in

will lack of religious affiliation with a church be the determining factor in declaring one as an "anti-christ"?

if you are not a baptised, signed up, tithing church member somewhere....will this be the dividing line?.

will church membership be the sole criteria of "godliness" in this battle of armageddon?.

cameo-d

The term can broadly mean a person or an organisation that places itself in the place of Christ, claiming to be the Christ (the Anointed).

Doesn't it seem like those who are outside the realm of "the church" will see things in that logical way, while those who are within the mind and behavior control of the organized religions will see the non-joiners as being the anti-christ as they are opposed to organized religion?

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Revelation 11:15-17

by DoomVoyager in

this passage could be used to support trinitarian theology.

from that bastion of scholarly biblical exegesis, the new world translation (.

and the seventh angel blew his trumpet.

cameo-d

I see that they used the " and of his Christ" to conclude that both verses refer to Jehovah, and to his being a seperate entity from Christ, which does make some sense.

Jesus is no relation to Jehovah.

Jesus was a real person. jehovah is a ficticious compilation of OT gods dba as "THE Almighty".

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144,000

by faundy in

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i used to consider myself a pretty 'good' witness, so i'm ashamed i have to ask this!.

please can someone tell me where the number 144,000 comes from?

i understand the twelve tribes of jacob, and 12x12, but why 12,000 out of each tribe?

cameo-d

I think this is what the "covenant" was all about. The 144,000 was part of the bargain that was struck between the evil watcher angels posing as 'god' and the humans who did their bidding.

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WT Controlling Statements About Missing Meetings,Worldly Parent's, Etc.

by flipper in

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most of us know having been out of the witnesses that one of the dastardly techniques they use in controlling members is to keep them so busy engaged in other activities that there is absolutely no time to pursue normal family interests or hobbies.

one of the lurking witness friends on the board sent me some quotes from a recent book study.

look at these quotes and see how controlling the watchtower society is becoming.

cameo-d

I think of Jesus when he describes the gospel as dividing families. JW's take this as prophetic; but they go one step further and make it the self-fulfilling prophecy. Effectively, they have the gall to view it as a command!!!
Rather, I feel that Jesus was voicing this as a lament, not even a prophecy. I believe he felt saddened for the inevitable divisions that could happen.

Mustang, that is a very insightful viewpoint. I absolutely agree that Jesus voiced that as a lament and not as a condition that "true religion" was supposed to divide people.

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What's so bad about NWO?

by cameo-d in

isn't a new world order a new system of things?

isn't this what the jws want?.

doesn't the new order promise to be a socialistic movement where everyone is equal and alike?

cameo-d

Ynot, I appreciate that you have taken the time to respond.

I understand your point, and yes, there are things we should have a healthy fear of...like walking into incoming traffic.

But if your god is a loving god...why should you have to fear that he is going to beat the crap out of you if you make a mistake?

If you were training a dog and he messed on the floor would it be more effective to beat him physically to get the message across? The pounds are full of cowering dogs who have been beaten that never made the association of what they did wrong. They only know to fear humans now. (It makes me think of that when I see so many JWs here who are cowering in fear of jehovahs mouthpiece.)

Would it be more effective to rub their nose in it? Ha. You know how many dogs end up eating doo-doo because that was done to them. They get a mixed message and think thats what you want them to do. (Doesn't this happen in the WT when you make a mistake, you get put on trial, everybody knows it, and you have to sit on the back row for a year? They make you eat doo-doo.Chances are, you have learned something from your mistake, but that makes no difference. It becomes everybody's business, you have no private life, and your nose gets rubbed into it over and over.)

Seems to me that a loving trainer would show dissapointment and correction without using terror and harsh punishment. As a matter of fact, many trainers emphasise a reward system for correct behavior as being more effective than using fear tactics for incorrect behavior.

This jehovah god does not really seem to have any viable reward system. He's never there when you need help, but he's always watching to get you if you make a mistake...actually, he sends someone from WT to do his dirty business.

"The fear of Jehovah means the hating of bad." It will prevent one from following a bad course, for "in the fear of Jehovah one turns away from bad."—Pr 16:6.

This serves the premise that if I do not even believe in jehovah that I am going to do bad things. Should I be good only because I believe god will cut off my hands if I steal? That sounds superstitious to me. I believe many people hate bad and do not participate in evil doings out of personal integrity and love for other people. I do not believe that a belief in a god is the only thing that will make a person moral. Many people enjoy goodwill among friends, neighbors, and strangers because it adds to their quality of life. There are better motivating factors for goodness than believing in the boogeyman getting you if you don't.

Adam and Eve failed to exercise a proper, healthful fear of God and therefore they disobeyed him. This produced in them a painful fear or terror

And here we see the terror of god at work. Even though Adam and Eve had made clothing of plant material, jehovah punishes them by killing the family pet and making clothes out of its hide and forcing them to wear it. Yes, I hate bad. And I think this jehovah god is bad, evil, cruel, and disgusting. I will never believe this 'god' is our true creator. If he is, then I will go down fighting his kind of evil and terror.

"Let us continue to have undeserved kindness, through which we may acceptably render God sacred service with godly fear and awe."

Undeserved kindness? What would this be? When you bring a child into the world you have a responsibility to provide the necessities of life until that child is old enough and capable of doing for himself. I can only imagine that text means that when anything fortunate happens that god gets the credit for causing it. Again, that is like a superstitious belief. Perhaps it is ones own perserverance and diligence that has brought the rewards of gain. Why do we have to give this god credit for our own accomplishments. A good parent does not require "sacred service" ( whatever that means?) A good parent does not expect to be worshipped. A truly good parent just wishes for the happiness and prosperity of the children. This jehovah god beats his kids with an iron rod their whole life. He puts them on restriction and time out. He keeps them isolated from the world he has created for them. They are not given the opportunity to explore for themselves. And should they wish to know more about what makes the sky blue, they are denied the higher education to actually learn about "gods" creation.

Proper fear does, however, include due respect for secular authority, because the Christian knows that just punishment from the authority for a crime would be an indirect expression of God’s anger.—Ro 13:3-7.

I wonder if the Jews and JWs ever realized that it was just punishment from god's anger when they went into the showers at Dachau?

A lot of this obey gov. came from King James and was added to the scriptures, as he was a promoter of the "divine right of kings".

Jesus predicted that at "the conclusion of the system of things" a climate of fear would cover the earth. He said that there would be "fearful sights" and that men would "become faint out of fear and expectation of the things coming upon the inhabited earth."

And this is why it is time to put a stop to this "system of things" with this evil ruling god. The religions of the world are nothing more than a way of controlling the masses. Magic gave birth to religion.( Wow the crowds and you can lead them.) Today it all still reeks of using superstition and guilt to coerce and control people.

Since god has never shown up and we are a planet in danger of annhiliating ourselves....why should we be afraid of change? Hasn't fear ruled long enough? Until Jesus comes in the flesh, why should we not be willing to seek some solutions to the problems here? Religions need to be exposed for the fraud they all are. The apostacy is in full swing.

NWO = man-made rule
NS = Christ rule

FDS=man made rule believed by millions to be gods mouthpiece! If that isn't a trick I don't know what is!

Hasn't the great deception already been perpetrated on mankind? Haven't we already seen the signs of wonders and lying miracles...statues that bleed, people "healed" by television evangelists, etc. etc.? Maybe there will be more deceptions to come.

Ynot, do you still believe there is going to be a paradise earth here on this very planet?

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Elder asks me why we quit... (Long)

by Odrade in

in this thread i mentioned having a long chat with an elder last summer.

i didn't realize i had never posted the story, so here it is.. last summer (when i went to buy my new camera lens) i ran into one of my favorite jws at the photography shop.

he was buying a camera bag for his new dslr, and i saw him, went up and greeted him, hugged him.

cameo-d

Odrade, you did the right thing in speaking to him so frankly and sincerely. Intuitively, I think he must have already been at a point of questioning things to be so interested in "dragging it out of you" and also his willingness to listen. I suppose that since your friend was an elder, maybe he really had no one to talk to about his questions and kept a lot of things inside if he did question the ethics of the org.

I am so sorry he ended his life. I would blame WT torment of years as being the contributing factor, and not your words which were spoken in love and honesty. I don't think it was just the non-caring of personal risk to yourself that caused you to reveal these things. I think you also spoke with a genuine concern for your friend in hopes to help him find freedom from that bondage.

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What's so bad about NWO?

by cameo-d in

isn't a new world order a new system of things?

isn't this what the jws want?.

doesn't the new order promise to be a socialistic movement where everyone is equal and alike?

cameo-d

"the fear of Jehovah is the start of wisdom."

Do you believe this is a healthy way to live?

Can you really love someone that you fear?

This sounds like a threat. What kind of wisdom is to be gained by cowtowing to someone who threatens to break your legs? What happened to free will?

The WT is A+ at promoting fear of Jehovah, don't you think?

What great wisdom was learned?

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Some little dubbie kids came up to me after class... (Evolution Story)

by Kudra in

so i teach science in middle and upper elementary schools as part of a fellowship i have this year.

for the 4th/5th grades our project is to construct a timeline of the evolution of land plants on earth.

so we do our first activity (researching parts of the hadean and archean and making pictures to put on our timeline) and after the class these two boys (who were kinda acting up) come to me and say they have something to tell me in private.

cameo-d

I don't recall this being taught when I was in 5th grade. Anyway, perfect subject to get them involved.

The Cambrian explosion has generated extensive scientific debate. The seemingly rapid appearance of fossils in the “Primordial Strata” was noted as early as the mid 19th century, [6] and Charles Darwin saw it as one of the main objections that could be made against his theory of evolution by natural selection . [7]

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What's so bad about NWO?

by cameo-d in

isn't a new world order a new system of things?

isn't this what the jws want?.

doesn't the new order promise to be a socialistic movement where everyone is equal and alike?

cameo-d

Isn't a new world order a new system of things?

Isn't this what the JWs want?

Doesn't the new order promise to be a socialistic movement where everyone is equal and alike? Isn't that sort of what the paradise promotes...equal distribution of assets and everyone thinking alike?

Doesn't the new order promote cleaning up the earth and healing the planet? Isn't that what the paradise concept promotes?

Doesn't the new world order promote living in harmony with nature? Doesn't that sound like paradise concept?

Immortality? It's at the threshold. Scientists have found the answers to creating immortal cells to regenerate aging humans. (There are some interesting articles concerning the use of synthetic DNA as well as MAGIC (magnetism-based interactive capture).)

Seems to me that Armageddon must come before this NWO can fall into place. There is no god who will quietly dispose of "offensive humans". This is going to be man against man. Will Armageddon be a religious war...like the crusades?