“The atheist does not simply say, "l do not know." He goes another step, and he says, with great emphasis, that you do not know. He insists that you are trading on the ignorance of others, and on the fear of others. He is not satisfied with saying that you do not know, -- he demonstrates that you do not know, and he drives you from the field of fact -- he drives you from the realm of reason -- he drives you from the light, into the darkness of conjecture -- into the world of dreams and shadows, and he compels you to say, at last, that your faith has no foundation in fact.” - Robert G. Ingersoll (1833 – 1899)
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Does consciousness end with the death of the body
by givemejustalittlemoretime inapparently, the carvakas in anceint hinduism were materialists and skeptics, arguing that consciousness ends with the death of the body and that therefore we should take pleasure in this life while we possess it and practice compassion toward others.
they also argued that direct observation is the only certain way to know anything, and thus the existence of supernatural forces and realities cannot be established and must be rejected.
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Simon, please update my profile picture!
by will-be-apostate ini've read on another thread you need to delete the cached file of the profile picture so that it can be updated by the gravatar user.
i created a gravatar account, added the email address i use on here and uploaded the an image, but nothing happens.
this was 3 days ago.. could you please solve this problem?.
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MadGiant
I am afraid to ask but, can people change it if they are using their phones?
Ismael
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Athiests: Do you ever wonder... what if?
by toweragent ini'll start by saying, i'm a ministerial servant who is trapped in the religion.
my wife is hardcore...but i've slowly been getting her to lighten up, so i'll take it!
all my friends and family are jw's, and i am employed by a jw (who is actually a great boss).
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"I would be extraordinarily surprised if virtually all atheists had not asked those "what if" questions dozens or hundreds or thousands of times, before arriving at the conclusion that they are, indeed, atheists." - sir82
Agree I was one of them. I try dozen, perhaps hundreds of times but, the evidence against deities, males or females, god, male or female, gods males or females, demigods males of females is overwhelming.
Ismael
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The end was near
by Doug Mason innearly wiped out.. https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/24549348/earth-survived-near-miss-from-2012-solar-storm-says-nasa/.
doug.
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MadGiant
Thanks,
From the article:
"big enough to "knock modern civilization back to the 18th century," NASA has said."That's crazy, can you imagine?
No satellites, radio communications, cell phones, computer, telecommunications, internet and power grids for months, perhaps years, even decades in certain parts and areas. WowBut our apocalypse fixation ignores the fact that the things we're afraid of are old-hat. Extinction level events have happened again and again throughout history and, we're still here.
The Bubonic Plague(s)
Spanish Flu
The Toba EventTake care,
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Athiests: Do you ever wonder... what if?
by toweragent ini'll start by saying, i'm a ministerial servant who is trapped in the religion.
my wife is hardcore...but i've slowly been getting her to lighten up, so i'll take it!
all my friends and family are jw's, and i am employed by a jw (who is actually a great boss).
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"For those of you who are now athiest: Do you ever look back and wonder "what if"? What if the god of the bible is real? What if there is a creator who is not the god of the bible?" -
No, their is no evidence whatsoever to support a deity, yhwh, yeshua, thor, hercules, changó.
"Also, please, I am at a crossroads and I'm not commited 100% to theism or athiesm. Please do not derail the topic and tell me why I should or shouldn't beleive. PM me if you would like. But I really don't want to see the topic fall into a flame war." -
I am an atheist, anti-theist, not by choice. The evidence stirred me to that direction. No one can/should make decisions for you, unless you let them. Why don't you do some research first? Read a couple of books, read form apologists, opposers, critics (neutral sources) and draw your own conclusions.
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Anti-christ
by oldflame indo you know who the son of perdition is ?
do you know he is here and active today more than ever ?
do you know that america is the mystery babylon spoken of in scripture ?
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Do you know who the son of Perdition is?
No I don't know him, although I DO know that he doesn't forget to take his medications in the morning.
Do you know he is here and active today more than ever?I didn't knew, I am glad that the medications are working and he can have an active, productive life. Thanks for the info.
Do you know that America is the mystery Babylon spoken of in scripture?
You see, now I have a problem. Why America? United States was ranked the seventh-most economically competitive country in the world, according to the World Economic Forum’s Global Competitiveness Report for 2012-2013. Why not one of the top six contries?
http://www3.weforum.org/docs/WEF_GlobalCompetitivenessReport_2012-13.pdf
Why not the United Kingdom or Sweden? They have a better infrastructure than America
http://www.businessinsider.com/countries-with-better-infrastructure-2013-3?op=1Do you know that man walked with Dinosaurs and not 40 million yearsa ago ?
No, humans didn't walked with dinosaurs. Humans have walked the Earth for 190,000 years, a mere blip in Earth's 4.5-billion-year history. A lot has happened in that time. Earth formed and oxygen levels rose in the foundational years of the Precambrian. The productive Paleozoic era gave rise to hard-shelled organisms, vertebrates, amphibians, and reptiles. Dinosaurs ruled the Earth in the mighty Mesozoic. And 64 million years after dinosaurs went extinct, modern humans emerged in the Cenozoic era.
The first dinosaurs appeared around 225 million years ago (mya) in a time known as the Mesozoic Era. Scientists divide this era into 3 periods: the Triassic, Jurassic and Cretaceous.
Coloradisaurus lived about 221 - 210 mya, Saltasaurus lived about 70 - 65 mya. This means that the time period between Colora and Salta is greater than the time between Santa and us. So no, humans didn't walked with Barney.
Do you know that the History we were taught as kids in school was a huge lie?
I have to agree with this one, here are some examples:
Columbus Discovered the Earth is Round
The shape of the world has been pretty much settled since the orb theory was first proposed by the ancient Greek philosopher Pythagoras, around 2,000 years before the existence of Spain.In fact, the navigational techniques of Columbus' time were actually based on the fact that the Earth was a sphere. Trying to navigate the globe as if it was a flat plane would have fucked up the trip even more than it was.
Newton and the Apple
Newton never mentioned the thing with the apple, and in fact it was another guy named John Conduitt who first told the story some 60 years after it supposedly happened. Even then, he was decisively vague about whether Newton actually saw an apple, or whether the apple is a metaphor that he used to illustrate the idea of gravity for people less intelligent than he was.Benjamin Franklin, the Kite and the Thunderstorm
It's certainly true that Franklin at least proposed a kite experiment. Less certain, however, is whether or not he ever actually got around to performing it, and some sources suggest he did not. What is certain is that the experiment had nothing to do with lightning. If someone flew a kite into a storm, and it was struck by lightning, there's a good chance that person would be utterly destroyed. In fact, everyone in the vicinity would at the least suffer from hairless-scalp syndrome.Do you know we are in the days of Revelations?
No I didn't knew this "fact", thanks for the info. Do you take any pills? Just asking.
Did you know that , that generation started in 1948 rather than 1914 ?
No I didn't knew this "fact", thanks for the info. Do you take any pills? Just asking.
Since I have been gone from here I have done so much reading and researching literally thousands of hours logged into researching Prophecy in scripture and real History as well as medical research for fighting cancer and where it comes from.
Such a waste of time, thanks for the info. Do you take any pills? Just asking.
Friends Iv'e been doiing my homework have you?
No I haven't.
Do you want to know what I have learned?
If have something to do with dinosaurs walking with humans, "prophecy in scripture" and real "history", no not really, but thanks. Did I mentioned the pills? Just asking.
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YOUNG EARTH?
by Terry inyoung earth creationists (like dr. john morris) are taken to task in an article producing the following statistics:.
let's begin with today's population of the earth (estimated) 6,623,924,220. call it 6 billion.. now, let's go back to noah and his family after the flood.
but--let's take the baby steps necessary to get from 8 people to our goal of 6 billion.. why?
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Do you think that a time comes when christians realize that their arguments don't hold water (especially when it came to science)?
When they will begin some honest research to see if they could defend Christianity with absolute intellectual honesty.Christianity is not only indefensible; it is self-contradictory and easily disprovable.
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Can God Really see the Future?
by Randomthoughts inthis is regarding the garden of eden/apple dispute.. if the all knowing, all powerful god sees/knows the future then surely the angels (that he created) should know the god knows the future.. now god knows that humans cannot rule themselves, hence the angels should also know this 'fact'.. why does he need to prove this point to the angels (as is taught by the wt)?.
do the angels doubt the almighty god or do they have a reason not to trust or believe him?.
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God sees and knows all things.
Job 42:2
No thought can be withholden from thee.
Psalm 44:21
For he knoweth the secrets of the heart.
Psalm 139:7-8
Whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there; if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
Proverbs 15:3
The eyes of the Lord are in every place.
Jeremiah 16:17
For mine eyes are upon all their ways: they are not hid from my face, neither is their iniquity hid from mine eyes.
Jeremiah 23:24
Can any hide himself in secret places that I shall not see him? saith the Lord. Do not I fill heaven and earth?
Acts 1:24
Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men.
1 John 3:20
God ... knoweth all things.There are some things that God doesn't know and can't see.
Genesis 3:8
And Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord, amongst the trees of the garden.
Genesis 4:14-16
Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth; and from thy face shall I be hid. (v.14)
And Cain went out from the presence of the LORD, and dwelt in the land of Nod, on the east of Eden. (v.16)
Genesis 11:5
And the Lord came down to see the city and the town.
Genesis 18:9
And they said unto him, Where is Sarah thy wife? And he said, Behold, in the tent.
Genesis 18:17-21
And the LORD said, Shall I hide from Abraham that thing which I do? (v.17)
And the Lord said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous, I will go down now and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and, if not, I will know. (vv.20-21)
Genesis 22:12
For now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me.
Genesis 32:27
And he [God] said unto him [Jacob], What is thy name?
Numbers 22:9
And God came unto Balaam, and said, What men are these with thee?
Deuteronomy 8:2
God led thee these forty years in the wilderness ... to know what what in thine heart.
Deuteronomy 13:3
The Lord your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the Lord your God.
2 Chronicles 32:31
God left him, to try him, that he might know all that was in his heart.
Job 1:7, 2:2
And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, from going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
Hosea 8:4
They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not.
Jonah 1:3, 10
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Is the Bible just as fake as the JW's
by BackSlider init seems that the more i research, the more i find that it's all just a big scam.
is there any evidence that even the bible isn't just another big religion/government scam?
would we listen to putin or obama if they told us they have verified new holy writings?
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"The bible is a source of suffering to mankind." - John E nough Said Ismael
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Is the Bible just as fake as the JW's
by BackSlider init seems that the more i research, the more i find that it's all just a big scam.
is there any evidence that even the bible isn't just another big religion/government scam?
would we listen to putin or obama if they told us they have verified new holy writings?
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MadGiant
"or disregard it completely based on their attitude toward organized religion, rather than reading every single book of the Bible on its own merits, and reading every apocryphal book on its own merits when you done with all of them, and then decide what you find to be truth, untruth, literature, history, and myth." -
What make you think that I haven't? Should we cherry-pick specifics soothing verses? What should we do with the verses that describe incest, bestiality, sadomasochism and violation of human rights?
Believers might find comfort in some of "Jesus" words but, it should serve as a reminder that just because a man appears righteous does not necessarily mean he always practices it. Imagine observing a man who tells the truth most of the time but occasionally tells a hurtful lie. Should we not feel wary of such a person? Or if someone breaks his promise, should we not feel cheated? Especially if that person calls himself the Son of Dog, we should expect him to act perfectly all the time, not just some of the time.
His saying should reflect consistency, giving no hint of hypocrisy. The performances of Jesus describe the actions of a con-artist, gives obvious half-truths and then promises them salvation for their sacrifice. Moreover, the Biblical Jesus gives wrongful information, breaks promises, lies, calls people unsavory names, orders killings, among other things. He gave questionable advice about income, marriage, and future plans and he ended his short life in tragic suicidal death. Remember, their no evidence of Jesus outside the bible.
Many Christians object to any criticism of their religion where they see only the good without the bad.
"The Bible shows me that God is so humble that he became a humble dirty Jewish hippie love child, comprimising his omnipotence, his omniscience, and his omnipresence." -
In short, you believe that an omnipotent spirit being from another dimension raped a young human girl in order to give birth to himself so he could later torture himself to death as a sacrifice to himself to appease himself for something he started in the first place. You have to forgive me but, that is not "humble", that insane and stupid.
Ismael