No offense to possible san here, but this has classic tower of babel written all over it....i can't stop chuckling.
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First Kill
by cameo-d inin genesis 3:7 we are told that adam and eve made the first clothing out of plant material.. (though the scriptures say fig leaves, it could have been similar to grass skirts, and adequate).
why did "god" find it necessary to kill an animal to clothe them?
(genesis 3:21 (septaugint) says "leather tunics").
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Introvert or Extrovert
by FormerMormon inon exmo sites, we have done polls.
people who leave the lds cult lean heavily to the introverted side.
i suspect many extroverts have too much to lose socially to allow themselves to think.
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I'm extrovertedly introverted.
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If Israel is nuked off the map by Iran ...
by sacolton inwould that mean the bible isn't true?
israel plays a very important part to fulfill prophecy.
your thoughts?.
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I'm in agreement with stapler here. Ahmadinejad made a statement, and that statement was misinterpereted and twisted to suit their agenda.Whatever that agenda turns out to be, we are being led to think one thing, while he said something completely different. He does not hate Jews, as evidenced by the fact that many Jews live in Iran. He hates the Zionist's or "'the regime' that occupies Palestine."
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/norouzi.php?articleid=11025
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Jordan
by Gill injordan maxwell, well known student/professor of the occult symbology that surrounds us says the following in his book 'matrix of power':.
'england and rome use freemasonic symbols at the highest religious levels, element in relation to christianity - or should i say jehovah's witness's brand of christianity.
we have such books as 'christian by degrees', 'masonic religion revealed in the light and the faith of jehovah, 'testament for a new world', 'the seven books containing a sense of spriritual wisdom,' given to us by the knights templar.
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Gill - Thanks for starting this thread. I am going to read that book and very very soon. Did you eat it up and read it cover to cover in one sitting?ha
One thing that you pointed out, that makes sense in such a scary way, is the possible implications behind the origin of the name "Kingdom Hall". I haven't looked yet, but i can't wait to see if it was Russel who gave JW's the name of their "church", and more importantly, when? According to Wikipedia, it was in fact Rutherford who introduced the name. While it appears that Rutherford served under Russel during his presidency and perhaps they were both involved with the masons? The Freemasons themselves, on their website say that Russel was NOT a Freemason, despite his words spoken. http://www.freemasonry.bcy.ca/anti-masonry/anti-masonry03.html
My investigating you thread a little further led me to find out indeed that he was NOT a Freemason at all...but he was of the York Rite "movements" of Freemasonry. While it is the oldest "rites" of Freemasonry, it does consist of only 3 degree's. So while he is a mason, perhaps this is why the Freemasons can deny him as one? According to the above website, "The Rite in its purity doesn't even exist anywhere" I'm not saying anyone is wrong about anything, I'm just pointing out a few things hoping someone can fill in more of an overview.
Either way the Kingdom Hall thing is to much of a coincidence. "White Hall". I couldn't find one. I found out that it is a road in London, where there USED to be a "WhiteHall Palace" up until 1698 that was largely destryed by fire,and there used to be Monarchs that lived there. Either way, White Hall as a building or a street shouldn't matter as the street is where the current UK Government is situated. The song still remains the same.Using that sentence reminds me of Stairway to Heaven and one line in particular. "And it's whispered that soon, if we all call the tune,then the piper will lead us to reason"....and in turn reminds me of he piper in the fairy tale leading everyone...Perhaps now my imagination is getting carried away.
Cameo- I really love your posts an your analytical thinking. I like the perspective's you present. While your thinking on such matters is far more advanced than mine i think your quite right with your viewpoints. Thank you too. Your comment about "they have been laughing at simple men all these years" really hit home.They have been laughing at me. Just last night possibly while this thread was being commented on I was talking about how much "simple" appeals to me. I can't cut and paste for some reason, but my last comments on the thread " March 15th is Z day!The zeitgeist movement...coming soon" contain the words "simple" more than a few times. Perhaps what you speak of is very true, I would like to know what you think. Anyone else for that matter.
Password- While usually your posts are quite short and very to the point...often to the point where i can't understand where your coming from, primarily cause i'm a newbie and don't know ya, your references with regards the watchtower are very well observed and it scares the shit outta me. Despite this, I thank you for them.
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So let me get this straight
by TheICE ina web site called jehovah-witness.net where x-jw's and jw's who pretend to be jw's come to chat about how bad jehovah witnesses are and how they brain washed them etc, would it not be more productive to move on and forget than to let something most of you obviously hate take so much of your time and effort.. for some being a jw is about not being part of the world, what other religion is there that is as moral as a jw.
i am d'fed but i belive that jw's are the true religion.
sure some of them can be self righteous pricks but there imperfect just like anyone else,we all need to focus on us and not worry about what there doing because we can't change them.. .
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Ice - you have been dished for four years..and you yourself are unable to "move on". Why havent you gone back?
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So let me get this straight
by TheICE ina web site called jehovah-witness.net where x-jw's and jw's who pretend to be jw's come to chat about how bad jehovah witnesses are and how they brain washed them etc, would it not be more productive to move on and forget than to let something most of you obviously hate take so much of your time and effort.. for some being a jw is about not being part of the world, what other religion is there that is as moral as a jw.
i am d'fed but i belive that jw's are the true religion.
sure some of them can be self righteous pricks but there imperfect just like anyone else,we all need to focus on us and not worry about what there doing because we can't change them.. .
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Ice - you come in here raising a ruckus, and hey, its your life, you can do with it as you please. I don't hate you as a JW or anyone as a JW...but I don't like the way the society misrepresents Jehovah. jwfacts.com check it out, and then please come back here and present your faith to me so i can better understand wher your coming from..please? I'm not the one knocking on your door asking you to change...I'm asking you to please change me.
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Any Starbucks fans?
by cameo-d inwhat is your favorite type of coffee drink?.
i don't know too much about all these different kinds.. how does steamed milk affect the flavor as opposed to cold cream?
or is it a 'temperature thing' that makes the difference?.
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Hey Cameo. I replied to this thread a while back...but my browser took me to page 2 and i never realized you asked some questions that I might be able to answer, at least in part.
I'm not a hardcore Starbucks coffee drinker, but i did work there for a while and i did experience a little bit, so i can elaborate on a few things.
My cofee favs change regularily throughout the year. Ill go through phases trying differnt drinks for a while, but usually come back to my caramel machiatto. How did you like your latte? Do you like sweet drinks? or do you prefer the taste of coffee not mixed with steamed milk? Often times I get my lattes or machiatto's 1/2 sweet (less syrup pumps) or with an extra shot of espresso...just so that coffee taste stands out a little more. The difference between lattes and machiattos is only in the order in which the esspresso is added. Latte's have espresso added before the milk is poured, so it is mixed thoroughly. Machiatto's usually have the shots poured on top of the steamed milk over the foam. It's kinda neat to experiment with different ways of having a drink made, to cater to your taste buds.
I have a few mugs myself. They always change from season to season as far as the styles and colors go. I have an orange and green set of mugs and they are kind of a ribbed style mug. I like their size and drink from them most often. I also have a black one, that i barely ever use...it has a small chip on it, so i got it for free from my old store as they could not sell it.
I also have a few t shirts. One is brown, and the other black, they were both given to me as an employee.As far as clothing goes i also pinched a nice new fresh green apron before i left, permission granted from the manager, and I use it when i'm cooking around my place. A nice keep sake.
Fresh brewed coffee from Starbucks is really really strong and tough to drink for me. Working there, one of the perks is that you get a free pound of coffee per week and still have a few bags left. I grind my beans at home when i can, it makes for a better tasting coffee to me. Any fresh brewed coffee I make for myself ends up being about 1/2 as much as they would use at the store for brewing...i find it tones the harsh taste down and lets me appreciate the flavours more. My fav bean to date is Komodo Dragon. Ask me why and i won't be able to explain very well...it just tastes good to me. Coffee is almost like wine once you come to a proper appreciation for the taste, but im not there yet.
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How do you feel when you catch the WTS in twisting of scriptures,deception,and lies?
by RULES & REGULATIONS injesus said in matthew 28:19
"go therefore and make disciples of people of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit ...." watchtower 1966 october 1 pp.603-604
"we do not dedicate ourselves to a religion, nor to a man, nor to an organization.
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Hey...wt and outlaw. For me this is probably one of the biggest things that bothers me after standing back and looking at things. the BIBLE SAYS what your supposed to do.....grrrr
Could you please post or direct me to where they reason this to be appropriate? Did they bring out why they changed it in the form of an explanation?
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March 15 is Z day! The Zeitgeist movement...coming soon.
by lurk3r inhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261.
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ok. here goes.
I'm a simple man. I generally use simple words. I like things that fall together in a way that makes sense, in a simple way. My imagination loves to get carried away, I often have to fight to keep it in line.Sometimes, I enjoy it. Most of the time I don't. It's not simple. When i hear simple things that I clearly understand in an overall fashion, this,quite simply, makes me happy.
Being raised a JW, as much as it really sucked in so many ways was kind of nice, it was simple. Adam and Eve were the first humans and they screwed up. Since they were perfect when Satan misled them, God sent Jesus to fix things up, and he died on the stake. Go to the meetings, don't think about the future, cause you don't have to. Accept everything you learn cause the same God that sent his son, loves you and wants you to be living in a paradise earth, here on this planet. Do EVERYTHING that your told by the society, cause thats what Jehovah, the same God that sent Jesus WANTS you to do. Accept it. Live it. Doesn't make sense? It's not about you, it's about Jehovah. What every body on earth is doing, do the exact opposite. Don't participate in ANYTHING that this world is part of, in any way shape or form. It's ok to feel like an outcast. Your supposed to, that's the way Jesus was, and Jehovah loved him as a result. So do it, it's simple. Don't question, don't think. Do as your told. LISTEN to Jehovah. It's not about you...it's about him, and his earthly bride. IF, you listen; you might make it in. If you don't listen to Jehovah, your gonna die at Armageddon. And remember, if you make it through...it's still not "over". It's THAT simple.
Well, turns out, as luck would have it, that it's not. Turns out that, there is a little more to it. "Your the one who took your "blinders" off." I thought it was just my nearly blind uncle that had tunnel vision. Turns out we both did. Jehovah's people sure ARE happy..and now I know why. Ignorance is bliss, thats a fact. The grass sure is greener over on the other side. I'm not saying their right. Somedays I just wonder if i was wrong.
Unfortunately, JC's name is involved with the whole Z "movement". Yeah, their "facts" about JC and the boys are bullshit. But when your raised to believe...not think, actually BELIEVE that you are going to be able to live for eternity, and that since you only use a teeny bit of your brain, you can't even COMPREHEND what a paradise earth will actually be like....it awakens a little something inside me when a movement like this starts to take root. It's not something you have to "imagine' like I was raised to imagine the "New System". Just to hear the words "new system", bring my head up to pay attention. To be raised thinking about a Paradise earth and letting your imagination get carried away, left me with so many wonderments, ALL of to which came to one daunting end. "Nobody Knows".
If my signing up for the newsletter to keep myself in the know, means i support it, so be it. It's the FIRST thing i have EVER heard that MAKES SENSE.It's simple. Does it scare me? Yeah. Do i cringe that they HAD to bring Jesus into it somehow? Yeah. I feel like i'm in the truth again dammit, guilty for something that I probably shouldn't be looking at to begin with....cause one day, I really do believe that this world IS going to change. Even though the truth is bullshit in a bun, you still can;t discount what the bible says, or what JC said. This "movement", is simple. The world is bullshit, this "system", is bullshit. This world SUFFERS, because of a handful of men at the very top of the lader. You, and I SUFFER every single day because of this "system" that we mindlessly pursue, whether were concsious of it or not. We wake up and go to work in the morning, drink our coffee's and stroke our ego's...cause whether you think it or not, we don't have a choice. Growing up as Witnesses, we didnt have a lot of choice, we had NONE at all. This world is the same dammit. People who are not raised as JW's are in a similar boat IMHO...you don't really get a lot of CHOICES.Whatever you decide to DO with your life, you wake up and do it. Freedom is an illusion and you are a SLAVE,and a slave to this "System". "What do you wanna BE when you grow up?" Whatever your answer was or is(for the vast vast majority), it boils down, to currency, and ideally, you would like more than less. This world we live in, is BASED on scarcity, not ABUNDANCE. Anything that you possess that is RARE or SCARCE, is worth more than something that is in ABUNDANCE(gold vs wheat). The reason we are all f'd (to some degree that remains to be seen) after this "bailout" finally goes through after TRILLIONS of dollars is pumped back into the market, is that there is going to an abundance of money that is worth less than it was before. SIMPLY put, if you have a Wayne Gtetzky rookie card, that is worth say 1000 dollars, if they found a trillion of them under a snowbank, your Rookie Card is going to be worth a lot less than it was before. They are printing off money. Mere paper...and they are making LOTS of it. I think were all in trouble. Many people think we are in trouble.
Every single day, just about every single one of my thoughts, comes back to the end of this "System"...just like I was raised to believe. I wish i didn;t think this way, but i do. Take the society out of the picture and I am still left with the world i live in. We live in. If the "Venus Project" is the "beginning of the end", so be it. Wherever it is that were heading...I just wish we would get there. Take the religious aspect away from it, and to me it makes sense...IT'S SIMPLE! So much so that it scares me. The first link at the top of this page is the latest "info video". Look at it or not, i really think that you'll hear about it later on.
I fucking hate that I have to think this way.
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March 15 is Z day! The Zeitgeist movement...coming soon.
by lurk3r inhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3932487043163636261.
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