you wrote the following:.
"if someone shows a pattern of confusion, changes churches, changes sexual preferences, and changes his beliefs about god, then the people who listen to him as a voice of information, who share opposite beliefs and sexual preferences need to know this for it would undermine their confidence in what he says about other things.".
i am curious...do you have similar information about the sexual preferences and changes in beliefs of every member of the governing body?
Mishnah:
Why would I question their sexual preference when every time they write about the subject they condemn homosexuality?
Well you wouldn't question it because you are naive enough to believe that folks who claim to be in kahoots with God won't lie to you on paper. The truth is, half of the GB could be homosexuals and you would never know as they would LOSE their positions as GB members if they were to make such an admission.
since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.
the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.
in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.
I am not ignoring proof, my friend.
If it reconciles yourself to do so, please continue your denial.
AF was supposedly trying to prove that Russell considered himself the FDS.
AF did not have to prove what was reality.
But nothing that he cited upholds his claims.
In all the research I have conducted, I have zero evidence that Russell ever said he was the FDS. True, the 1916 WT said he did so in private conversations. But the 1927 WT says that he did not. I simply do not think hearsay is the best approach when one is trying to put together any historical occurrences.
HEARSAY!? You've probably based your entire life on HEARSAY without even checking the facts. Now you don't consider it "the best approach" for putting together historical occurrences?
Look Duns, if the society implies something in 1916, then in 1927 turns around and says it is NOT "so" and even one person can show that indeed in 1916 it was considered "so", then the society is misrepresenting what was "so" way back when. We aren't talking about a difference in biblical interpretation Duns, we are talking about RE-WRITING HISTORY.
I find it hard to believe that AF expects me to accept his claims about Russell thinking he was the FDS on such slender evidence.
slender evidence? I wonder how much of what you believe today as a JW will be "slender evidence" to JWs a hundred years from now.
Others may have mistakenly thought Russell was the slave. But I find no evidence that he ever said he was.
Yeah, and if Russell never said he was NOT the slave, yet let his followers continue to believe that he indeed WAS, then he must have THOUGHT that he was the slave. ESPECIALLY if he ADMITTED it in private conversations. If you don't believe what was written in 1916, what makes you so sure that you can believe what is being written TODAY in a WT? What are you going to do 30 years down the road when what you cling to today becomes "old light"? No nevermind, I know exactly what you will do.. you will trust the words of others over your own senses.
I also find it odd that the quote about "God's mouthpiece" is almost never quoted in context.
As this is the first time i've encountered this quote, I too would like further explanation from Alan.
I will say this to you though Dunny... At least AlanF isn't claiming to be what your religion demands you believe your leaders to be. (Whether you want to admit it or not).
since dunsscot claims he's leaving this board, and in answer to my specific request for a committment to answer all replies i might give to his latest replies to my previous dissections of his nonsense he said that he would not, i won't be giving a detailed reply to him.. however, dunsscot's posts contain a number of statements that prove how easily the watchtower society fools the jw community by lying to it, either outright or in so many words.. in this post we will examine a fiction that the society has managed to get poor people like dunsscot to believe with respect to c. t. russell, namely, that russell never claimed that he was "the faithful and wise servant" of matthew 24:45. the simple truth is that russell did indeed believe it.
the fact that he did was printed in the watch tower, and the society itself taught it until about 1927.. let's first look at the context of dunsscot's denial of this important bible student teaching.
in the set of exchanges below, the reader can see that dunsscot is attempting to deny that jw leaders claim to be god's exclusive earthy spokesmen.
Dunny:
From The Watch Tower, December 1, 1916 (p. 5998 Reprints):
It is here interesting to note that Jesus said, "Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his Lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season? Blessed is that servant, whom his Lord, when he cometh, shall find so doing! Verily, I say unto you that he shall make him ruler over all his goods." Thousands of the readers of Pastor Russell's writings believe that he filled the office of "that faithful and wise servant," and that his great work was giving to the household of faith meat in due season. His modesty and humility precluded him from openly claiming this title, but he admitted as much in private conversation.
I suppose this is a vicious appostate lie as well.
You are suffering from cognitive dissonance (sp!) it would seem Duns. Duns should really stop asking others to provide proof if his intention is to ignore it. It's a big waste of time.
I also wish I were there with you by the keyboard just now, as I'm sure Duns could use a firm handshake and a "pat on the back".
yes, an age of miracles and wonders now begins!.
popular science reports scientists are working on the first.
artificial lung.. people magazine (aug. 6, 2001) pg.80 "medical miracles".
So, after all of these miracles, who's going to start chucking people off the planet so the people left here can live comfortably?
:: he didn't merely suspend it -- he substituted another for it.
in our case here, therefore, god's telling abraham to kill isaac was by definition not murder.
: first, i am not sure what i believe in this case.
AlanF
So for your benefit, when I get home from work I'll cobble together some quotes proving my original assertions about those men.
While I am flattered that you would do anything at all for my benefit, I believe it to be completely unnecessary.
(I've read your work before, and your research is sound.)
Don't do it for my benefit, just do it again for the readers.
society correct in it's interpretation of such scriptures as psalm 72:16; isaiah 11:8,9; 35:1,6,7; 55:13; 65:21-23 and most prominently revelation 21:3,4 by intimating that these things will be fulfilled on earth at some point after armageddon, or have these verses been taken out of context and misapplied?
it would be important to be sure on this matter as this is a primary witness doctrine.
if they are wrong on this matter then what about jehovah's original purpose for the earth (psalm 37:11; isaiah 45:18)?
Now we see what causes holy wars...
I'm glad you holier than thou folks are just on a DB at the moment as I imagine if you were having this form of discussion in person you would no doubt be at each other's throats by now.
-ianao
i've been studying the bible with a jehovah's witness in my town, and i'm rather enjoying it.. but why do so many people hate the jw's.. i've researched on my own and have come to the conclusion that they are right on most accounts including the trinity, blood, nationalism... etc.... and the more arguments i hear against the more i'm drawn into believing what they stand for.. and every argument i've seen in support of the things jw's are against the more i think the jw's are right.. so why are they so bad?
DF:
I don't find anything wrong with witnesses except that they are duped on a much grander scale than any Jimmy Swaggart could ever come up with. If you believe that they are right, then go right on ahead and believe so. Just don't scrutinize it too much, as you may disappoint yourself.
:: he didn't merely suspend it -- he substituted another for it.
in our case here, therefore, god's telling abraham to kill isaac was by definition not murder.
: first, i am not sure what i believe in this case.
Looks like the true Dunny "shines" through at this point.
Hmmm...
What an intelligent thread (like I have room to talk).
DS: You're a liar!
AF: You're a liar!
DS: You're the liar!
AF: No, YOU are the liar!
DS: No, YOU ARE THE LIAR.
AF: NO, YOU ARE THE LIAR.
Keep going guys!!!!!
jesus further related in the 15th chapter of john: "nevertheless, i have spoken these things to you that, when the hour for them arrives, you may remember i told them to you.
these things, however, i did not tell you at first, because i was with you.
so, the point is that jesus has not told his anointed ones certain things yet because the hour for them has not arrived.
GodRules: "I am the P.O."
Ouch...
My sides...
They hurt...
I simply...
Can't stop laughing...
GodRules: You crack me up. (Hey, I thought you said you were Christ Jesus? What gives?)
society correct in it's interpretation of such scriptures as psalm 72:16; isaiah 11:8,9; 35:1,6,7; 55:13; 65:21-23 and most prominently revelation 21:3,4 by intimating that these things will be fulfilled on earth at some point after armageddon, or have these verses been taken out of context and misapplied?
it would be important to be sure on this matter as this is a primary witness doctrine.
if they are wrong on this matter then what about jehovah's original purpose for the earth (psalm 37:11; isaiah 45:18)?
It's the CLASH.........
