Thanks for the link to Wien's excellent article. I read it years ago when I was first learning TTATT and it was all so painful and shocking--how much I didn't know, how badly I'd been misled by the WT's abominable pseudo-science writing. It's so much easier to look away, to avoid reading credible information and to simply continue on believing comfy falsehoods.
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If man evolved?
by tornapart ini know anyone who believes in evolution is going to say that there is no 'if' about it.
however.... if man evolved over hundreds of thousands of years ago, why were there only about 200-300 million people alive 2,000 years ago?
surely there'd have been many billions by then?.
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Larsinger: No. Not in any substantive way. Sorry.
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Newby here
by 1009 ini am new here and briefly want to introduce myself.. my name is michel and i am from the netherlands.
became baptized when i was 14, started pioneering when i got 18 and i've been ms for a number of years.
i married another pioneer and after a while we joined a foreign language congregation.
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Cadellin
Welcome to both Netherland newbies: I want to chime in on the asexual thing in women, speaking as a woman who was raised a good JW.
First, female sexuality operates completely differently then men (okay, flaming obvious, right?) As a woman, at least for me, desire moves in tandem with ovulation. Ovulation=horniness. Wrong time of the month? Men are just not that appealing--it's not that desire is completely gone, but the flames need to be very deliberately fanned through fantasy and erotica. Most good JW women wouldn't dream of doing such things and so, if it's a non-ovulating time, they're going to be as dead as doornails. I suspect most good JW wives are like that A LOT of the time. Plus they're not going to experiment with new moves, like oral sex, that can stir the flames nicely.
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Does anyone remember letter from GB "end is imminent" around 2009?
by cha ching inmy sister remembers, hearing at her congregation, a strongly worded letter from "the society" that hinted that "we may not be getting any more letters from the society, as the end is coming soon.".
she thinks it was around 2009, or after.. anyone remember this?.
as a result of this letter:.
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Cadellin
You might be thinking of the 2009 DC, where the word "imminent" was used in literally (yes, literally) every talk to describe the end. I was already on the way out and I leaned over and whispered to my husband, "So what does "imminent" mean?" I told him later that if the end comes within six months of that DC, then the WT is right; otherwise, they are liars.
Well, it's all history now.
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WT: Train your kids to shut up - April 2013 OKM
by aposta-Z inquote from april 2013 our kingdom ministry; available on here: http://jwleaks.org/ .
" even if they are too young to understand everything that is discussed, children can be trained to remain awake and sit.
quietly.
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"TRAINED to remain awake..."???
That assumes that falling asleep is a VOLUNTARY action. This is the stupidest, most inhumane thing I've seen in a LONG, long time from this organization. And that's saying something...
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LEAVING THE WITNESS A PREACHER FINDS FREEDOM TO THINK IN TOTALITARIAN CHINA
by BroMac ini don't know if this has been on here before but i came across it from a google news search for "jehovahs witnesses".
would someone be so kind as to make this link clickable!
http://www.autostraddle.com/things-i-read-that-i-love-66-reading-in-underpants-161749/.
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I read that and thought it was amazing.
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Does anyone think there was a great deliverance of the Hebrews from Egyptian captivity?
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As has already been stated, there's no way to correlate the Biblical timeline of the exodus with current findings. The Oxford History of the Biblical World (1998) (hardly a liberal or revisionist source) has this to say:
"At no point in the known archeological sequence for Egypty, Sinai and Palestine does the extant archeological record accord with that expected from the Exodus (or, for that matter, conquest) account in the Bible. No archeological evidence from Egypt can be construed as representing a resident group of Israelites in the delta or elsewhere, unless one accepts a general equation of the Exodus group with the Hyksos...Compromise and selectivity are thus the keys to all hypotheses that have been adbvanced to date the Exodus events" (p. 104).
Equating the Israelites with the Hyksos raises its own problems. It puts the conquest of Canaan around the beginning of the 15th century, which means the times of the judges would have had to last four hundred years, before the rise of the monarchy. Moreover, the Biblical record has the Israelites interacting with Ammon, Edom and Moab and archeological digs have revealed that those settlements simply weren't populated at that time.
There's other difficulties, too, with trying to reconcile the literal Biblical account with archeology. The Bible puts the number of persons leaving Egypt at more than 2,000,000, when you count such "non-persons" as women and children--yet the entire population of Egypt was only around 2,000,000 during this supposed time period. Moreover, such a large crowd roaming the area identified in scripture would leave ample evidence of their presence. Assuming a modern mortality rate (which is overly conservative, since ancient mortality rates were much higher), there would have been at least 10,000 people dying of natural causes every month, month after month. That's a LOT of bodies to dispose of, even by burning. Plenty of bones would have been discovered, as well as pottery shards from ordinary trash. Yet--nothing.
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Yet another "Shunning is good for you, honest!" quote in the June 15th 2013 Watchtower
by cedars inhi folks.
that's right, the new june 15th 2013 study edition is out now on this link.... http://download.jw.org/files/media_magazines/28/w_e_20130615.pdf.
the following quote caught my eye, from the final study article on page 28.... .
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AnnoMaly--excellent catch. Really, laying the "official" public stance re disfellowshipping as set out on their website side-by-side with this current manipulative claptrap is ample evidence of the fundamental dishonesty characterizing this relgion.
Blech.
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Re: 2013 annual meeting
by pixel inremember, you read it here first!.
dear brothers: .
we are pleased to announce that arrangements are being made for all baptized and unbaptized publishers who read and write english, along with their minor children, to be invited to locations where they can hear the 2013 annual meeting program that will be presented on saturday, .
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Interesting announcement. I think this could backfire. There's a big difference between listening to live speaker (even a mediocre one) and listening to a video of one. I teach at a state university and right now, there's a big push for more of us to teach on-line. In the workshops I've attended, we're learning how to make videos of our lectures; however, individual vids should be no more than 15 minutes, max! That's because (we're told) that people find it hard to concentrate on a speaker for any longer, regardless of how fascinating she might be. A 45-60 min. lecture that's successful face-to-face doesn't migrate so well into vid form.
And it looks like this Ann Meet program is 2 1/2 hours??? Yikes!
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New May Awake! Am I being unreasonable or does this sound crazy!?
by toweragent inmy friends usually walked me home after dark.
but one evening i was so tired that i decided to call a taxi.
the driver didnt take me home.
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Here's one (more) thing that really annoys me about JW doctrine: They are quick to point out that we are not under Mosaic Law, so literal Sabbath-keeping is no longer needed, along with all of the animal sacrifice, etc. And yet, anytime they need a law or even a "principal," where do they turn? The Mosaic Law!
This was recently seen in the WT article that discussed aspect of IVF and frozen embryos. To be artifically inseminated with sperm from a man who is not the husband is to render the woman guilty of fornication, according to Mosaic law ("You should not give your seed to another woman," or something like that--from Exodus or Leviticus or Deut.)
So the Mosaic Law is defunct except when the WT wants to use it to maintain control over the reproductive powers of its adherents. The mandate for women to scream when threatened with rape is just one more example...