No problem Alain keep your observations coming ,there's alot of JW's with time on their hands now who might pop in here !
Posts by wozza
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38Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"
by AlainAlam insorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.
i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.
but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!
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Evidence of WT bad intent - How they handled changing the meaning of "porneia"
by AlainAlam insorry, long post :) i'm considering evidence that at least at some point, the gb/watchtower had bad intentions.
i would like to share the following: *** w74 11/15 p. 703 questions from readers ***do lewd practices on the part of a married person toward that one’s own mate constitute a scriptural basis for the offended mate to get a divorce?there are times when lewd practices within the marriage arrangement would provide a basis for a scriptural divorce.. based on this, some jw chose to divorce.
but then:*** w83 3/15 p. 30 honor godly marriage!
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wozza
Well spotted AlainAlam ,notice that the first statement in the 74 w does not use the word "evidently" like the 83 w does ,this is a tactic they now use as a get out clause in any of their statements made now.
This gives them the ability to lawyer their way out of things now.
So for at least 9 years they had their brothers divorcing for "lewd" practices which was apparently wrong, and then later just make an authoritive statement in tone ,and prefix it with "evidently"! - no apology or admitting they were wrong.
This personally shows me how cowardly the governing body were then, and continue to be .
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How Come we never saw this before????
by Newly Enlightened inoh my goodness!
how come we never thought of this before?
if the israelites had animals to sacrifice to jehovah in the wilderness, then how come their god jehovah had to give them manna so they wouldn't starved to death?.
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wozza
R&R It’s possible they were so steeped in Egyptian ways that they couldn’t bring themselves to eat animals they worshiped.
Er why would an all powerful sandal healing god chose a people that were defiled in their worship to him ,perform miracles for them ,feed them when they had animals and offer them the promised land flowing with milk and honey .
This is supposed to be a fore gleam of Jehovahs rescued CLEAN and PURE WORSHIP people in the future ,how is there a comparison in these peoples then?
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So do you think the Russian brothers are saying "WTF" right now?
by nowwhat? inthey were told to risk imprisonment to keep meeting and preaching because "we must obey god rather than men".
while here in the u s. we voluntarily cancel meetings and preaching because "we need to be in subjection to the superior authorities".
thoughts?.
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wozza
Good observation "nowwhat" It's not so much that they stop meetings and witnessing and obediently follow government direction , it's more about that they value American lives more than oversees lives in Russia!
The gb would not have the guts to direct American JW's like they did in Russia and handle a government they see as obtuse like Russia, in their view, and have to handle the authorities in America, too close to home and their comforts ,it's easy to send strangers and low people in for sacrifice.
These ditherers are just self interested puppets of each other.
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So where's the the food at the proper time?!
by nowwhat? inso we are a couple weeks into this crisis with the meetings being cancelled.
and you would think the fds would have provided the sheep with helpful spiritual guidance in these times of need.
wtf do they have jw broadcasting for then?
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wozza
I wonder how many of so-called jehovahs witnesses died in the 1920's of the Spanish Flu ?
I wonder if the WTS kept and published figures of that?
I wonder if the delusion of angelic protection will subside for todays WT members?
Reality Bites.
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Which songs give you goosebumps?
by LoveUniHateExams ini don't know if this topic has been covered before - it might 've been.. i also recommend flipper's excellent music thread ('what songs have you been listening to?
', or similar).. but, i'd just like to start a thread about certain songs giving me goosebumps.
y'know, when you hear a song that profoundly effects you in some difficult-to-describe way and the hairs on your arm stand on end even though the room temperature's comfortably warm.. so, which songs give you goosebumps?.
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wozza
Creedence
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The Watchtower is now saying to listen to the advice of the United Nations
by Listener inthe watchtower has posted a news item on the coronavirus on their website and officially endorces the advice of who, the world health organization which is described by wikipedia as -.
the world health organization (who) is a specialised agency of the united nations that is concerned with world public health.
it was established on 7 april 1948, and is headquartered in geneva, switzerland.
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wozza
Next you'll be telling the Watchtower got it's Library card back pffft!
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Covid-19 (Coronavirus) - Status Update Thread
by Simon inthis topic is to focus on status updates & advice (no opinion or politics please).. status.
latest status is that it's serious, probably isn't going to be contained and most large companies are making contingency plans, cancelling large events etc... which i don't think would happen if it was just people being alarmist.
the incubation period means it may have already spread further and infected many more people than are currently known, so expect jumps in the numbers over the coming days and weeks.. tracking.
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wozza
First of all I would like to thank Simon for a thoughtful uncongested topic as a go to for information on a topic which may touch all of us in the near future.
I,ve got a step son coming back to Australia from Hong Kong next month and do wonder what the future holds. if this shit gets more serious.
Secondly I just got back from my supemarket and wished I'd taken a picture of the dunny roll isle ,apart from a few large bundles left . the quarter acre isle was as naked as a babies bum. Funnily enough I actually was running short of rolls and had to pick up a packet that almost needed a forklift to pick up . Got enough to last to the next scourge on society!
A tight lipped young woman was lifting a huge bag of rice into trolley , and just about every trolley seemed to have a generous amount of long life milk - so there is still food for now. But bugger all hand sanitizer , just a few bottles of that one that foams up but only in that proprietry dispenser made by them ,how inconvenient guess I"ll just have to use the old fashioned soap and wash my hands regularly like many of us old timers do. Plenty of soap on the shelves! Wierd.
Went on home got on the computer and read this topic and I started to think a bit more about this plague and what iff it did actually turn out to be a horrifying thing for mankind and absolute panic ensued. I think we will be thinking more than about a shortage of toilet paper. Maybe all those Doomsday Preppers will have to sharpen up them gun skills a bit more and those that are like them, might be the majority of remaining humans left here.
What a wonderful world they will have - no law except their own , use yer gun whenever, no-ones gonna tell 'em what to do ,and for the JW's still alive, the GB may even allow gun use too! Roll on plague just like back in Egypt I ain't got much life left in me anywayz.....hold on god where are the earthquakes etc you promised again and again thru your hand picked buffoons in America!
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Before cutting my hair my witness barber had to check with Bethel...really? Not a cult?
by Witness 007 ini was balding and grey so i asked my witness barber friend to "just shave it all off" many brothers were doing the comb over which looked friggin stupid.
but oh no in the 1990's this was rebellious he had to call a brother we knew at bethel to see if it was ok. we got his ok to go ahead but at the time i could help thinking about the no beard rule and how controlled and cultish we were..
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I wonder if the sisters call bethel to see iff they can shave their vaginas!?? I bet not they just do it anyway same as belly button earings ha
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Anyone ever get blow back for owning and riding a motorcycle?
by JimmyYoung inmy wife's family rode motorcycles all their life.
her grandfather was an elder.
i was told by some dubbers that it was not christian to use a motorcycle.
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Had bike since I was 18 ,part of a bike gang when I was 19 when I met my first wife from a JW family.My first bike was a 2 stroke yamaha 305 cc and next was a K1 Honda 750 4cyl in 1971 and never really stopped, I'm still trying to catalog all the different bikes I had.
Raced Motocross on a yamaha MX250 in '73 and '74
Here the stigma was bad and looked down upon and when I became a JW motorcycling was kept low key otherwise I would not have been on the servant body ,but it was OK in the 80's for a local elder to have a huge Yankee car that reeked male penis problems!
Later me and a fellow brother would go Windsurfing with our families and go to the kingdom hall on Sundays with all the gear on our cars roof racks and then go windsurfing after the meeting = did not go down well!
Still riding got a Triumph thruxton, aKawasaki KLX650 dirt bike , a Husqvarna wrk260 race bike and a restored Triumph 1973 Daytona 500cc love them all