Yes, I know, im back........ kind of - it was a short retirement wasnt it? Well, I had a discussion with a JW friend not long ago and I need some info. Is Independent thinking a disphellowshipping offense? I was told by a Jw that I can have conflicting opinions on doctrines of the org, as long as I keep it to myself. If I am not going around preaching my opinions then it is not apostasy. If an elder was aware that I felt this way, but I promised to keep it to myself, would I still be disphellowshipped? If so, is there any Wt articles that supports this?
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Is independent thinking a disphelowshipping offens
by In_between_days inyes, i know, im back........ kind of - it was a short retirement wasnt it?
well, i had a discussion with a jw friend not long ago and i need some info.
is independent thinking a disphellowshipping offense?
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Policy change regarding Inactive and field service
by cyberguy ini've seen several posts about this matter and i it seems that i might have seen something regarding this in some watchtower publication, but where can i find the recent policy change regarding inactive ones (i.e., was it in a km?
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a friend of mine is worried that this could eventually lead to treating the "inactive" as self-disassociated!
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Sit on the right hand??? but that'll take ages!!!!!!!! Look how long it took Jesus to sit at the right hand! LOL
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Policy change regarding Inactive and field service
by cyberguy ini've seen several posts about this matter and i it seems that i might have seen something regarding this in some watchtower publication, but where can i find the recent policy change regarding inactive ones (i.e., was it in a km?
), whereby they have to meet with the service committee if they want to resume field service again?
a friend of mine is worried that this could eventually lead to treating the "inactive" as self-disassociated!
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I too have a friend who does not wish to disassociate herself for her family, but has sucesfully faded out. I hope that this is not true, she would be very upset.
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moving On....
by In_between_days inhave you heard the song "stuck in a moment you cant get out of" by u2 ?
i was listening to this today and it got me thinking........... i have decided that i will no longer be contributing to this forum.... at least for the meantime.
this forum has helped me in every way that i need to be helped, and for that i thank everyone who played a part in this.. i guess i have achieved my goal now.
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Have you heard the song "Stuck in a moment you cant get out of" by U2 ? I was listening to this today and it got me thinking..........
I have decided that I will no longer be contributing to this forum.... at least for the meantime. This forum has helped me in every way that I need to be helped, and for that I thank everyone who played a part in this.
I guess I have achieved my goal now. When I first came here, I was absolutely fascinated with what I read - I did my own research, and I found out the "truth" about the truth - I had mixed feelings of shock, anger, and for the most part - complete bitterness. This bitterness ate me up for almost a year. I also, in small ways felt guillty for leaving the org, but now, thanks to this board, I am absolutely over the guilt feeling, hence my thread of late: "When did you realise that everything had changed?" - things have changed for me now, and it is time to focus my life on more important things.
This board has become stale to me. The constant unprovoked attacks on other board members, resulting in pages and pages of pointless warfare is not only stupid, but extremely negative. It wears me down. Lately, it seems there is more threads on this than anything else. What could be more of a waste of time? Picking arguments with complete strangers and then picking arguments with the moderators who object to your violent name - calling. This is no longer helping me, nor many of the newbies whom I have conversed with who are also looking for answers.
Lifes too short for dwelling in the past. Im now directing myself to life "Beyond the borg" - its a whole new world out there and all ive been doing is sitting on this board!!
Bye everyone, I have come to really like most of you, and wish all the wonderful things to come in the life ahead of you..
simon, I would like to thank you for changing my life - You are doing a great job.
I realise my departure will not really be noticed, as I wasnt exactly a heavy poster, but I still wanted to have my say about why Im leaving. Maybe ill be back someday, when it calms down a little and becomes the positive and therapeudic place I once knew.
LOVE AND PEACE
IBD
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DO YA MISS "THE SWEET FELLOWSHIP"?
by minimus inone of the major reasons that a disfellowshipped or disassociated person has for coming back to "jehovah's organization" is that perhaps they will miss the "sweet fellowship".
after hearing comments regarding the km article on how to treat disfellowshipped ones, i must wonder why anyone of sound mind would think a disfellowshipped person would miss anything from the organization.
viewing persons as "dead" while out of the organization would not make one feel anxious to return to jehovah's loving arrangement through the organization.whoever coined the term about missing "the sweet fellowship" was pretty clever.
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dsgal, welcome, I have'nt spoken to you before. You are totally right in what you are saying, there was plenty of people in the congregations that were sort of "outsiders" to everyone else. Usually these were one parent familys, or Jw whose married but their mate is an unbeliever, basically any unconventional familys that would not be considered the "norm" for JW's - I noticed quite a few ignored ones were people other than white, which was disturbing, to say the least.
These people were almost shunned and never invited anywhere, in fact I have been in certain malicious congregations where they were made the centre of jokes and horrific slander for JW's.
I know where you are coming froma nd am glad you got out of this cold situation.
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When did you realised that everything had changed?
by In_between_days inin life, there are certain pivotal moments when you realise that every thing has changed dramatically.
it's a breathtaking and overwhleming feeling.
you may think back to who you were on this day a year ago, compared to who you are now - the contrast is incredible.. i find change in viewpoints and thinking evolves slowly, over a long period of time, you dont know the change is taking place until one day, you realise for one stunning minute that you are everything that you never were.
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. It took me years to get 'deprogrammed'
So what how did you feel after you were finally "deprogrammed"?
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When did you realised that everything had changed?
by In_between_days inin life, there are certain pivotal moments when you realise that every thing has changed dramatically.
it's a breathtaking and overwhleming feeling.
you may think back to who you were on this day a year ago, compared to who you are now - the contrast is incredible.. i find change in viewpoints and thinking evolves slowly, over a long period of time, you dont know the change is taking place until one day, you realise for one stunning minute that you are everything that you never were.
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That started the process, the rest is history
ok, I dont think I put the question as I intended. I did not mean "When did you realise that you didnt want to be a JW anymore" I mean "When did you realise that you were definately, completely no longer a JW, and you did'nt care"? When did you realise YOU were one of the worldly ones? YOU had evolved into a full fledged, hardcore EXDUB (or apostate)
Sorry about that guys, I can be a bit cryptic sometimes, I know. Thank you for your contributions though.
let me give you an example of what I mean:
It hit me how much I had changed when I realised that I now view the weekend as just that "The Weekend" I work all week, and I get the weekend off. I dont even think of sunday as being a crap day anymore - it's a good day, a lazy day. It used to be my most dreaded day of the week (meeting, witnessing) but now, without realising it, my most hated day had gradually changed into my most loved day - and I had'nt even noticed. I had changed.
Another good example is a lady who related her thread not long ago on "What have you done with your meeting clothes" or something like that. She related that a JW had given her some meeting clothes of her sons that she had left at the JW's house months ago - she had'nt even realised that they were missing. It hit her - metamorphis - JW to EJW - see what I mean?
Apologies again.
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When did you realised that everything had changed?
by In_between_days inin life, there are certain pivotal moments when you realise that every thing has changed dramatically.
it's a breathtaking and overwhleming feeling.
you may think back to who you were on this day a year ago, compared to who you are now - the contrast is incredible.. i find change in viewpoints and thinking evolves slowly, over a long period of time, you dont know the change is taking place until one day, you realise for one stunning minute that you are everything that you never were.
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I would also like to take this opportunity to apologise to the readers for my consistant keystroke errors and spelling mistakes. I am a very quick and innacurate typist, and never have the time to proof read my work - sorry, you'll get used to it. Whenever I read through what i've typed i'm always going: "Oh gawwwd...."
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When did you realised that everything had changed?
by In_between_days inin life, there are certain pivotal moments when you realise that every thing has changed dramatically.
it's a breathtaking and overwhleming feeling.
you may think back to who you were on this day a year ago, compared to who you are now - the contrast is incredible.. i find change in viewpoints and thinking evolves slowly, over a long period of time, you dont know the change is taking place until one day, you realise for one stunning minute that you are everything that you never were.
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In life, there are certain pivotal moments when you realise that every thing has changed dramatically. It's a breathtaking and overwhleming feeling. You may think back to who you were on this day a year ago, compared to who you are now - the contrast is incredible.
I find change in viewpoints and thinking evolves slowly, over a long period of time, you dont know the change is taking place until one day, you realise for one stunning minute that you are everything that you never were. Your life has changed completely.
What could be a better example of this than the metamorphis from JW to ExJW? When did you realise? When was the one moment that turned your mind inside out - you are free completely of the WT and all of it's indocrination - you are a new person.
So when did this hit you? And what made it do so?
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DO YA MISS "THE SWEET FELLOWSHIP"?
by minimus inone of the major reasons that a disfellowshipped or disassociated person has for coming back to "jehovah's organization" is that perhaps they will miss the "sweet fellowship".
after hearing comments regarding the km article on how to treat disfellowshipped ones, i must wonder why anyone of sound mind would think a disfellowshipped person would miss anything from the organization.
viewing persons as "dead" while out of the organization would not make one feel anxious to return to jehovah's loving arrangement through the organization.whoever coined the term about missing "the sweet fellowship" was pretty clever.
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I have to admit that I really miss my friends in the org. If you moved in the right youth circles within the congregations, you could build up quite a big friendship network very quickly. I had been to alot of congregations and went to all the right "clique" partys, so had built up a network of around 80 friends. I now have around 5 close friends. It's hard when you have to actually make an effort to make friends from the ground basis, because you are so used to having them already made for you.
It's a whole new life now though, and you've got to be positive. The friends I make now, I find are far more caring than most I had in the org, and most are completely disgusted when I tell them about shunning. They assure me that these are not "Real friends". There is a certain girl I was very close too, and a guy that was like my big brother and I miss them terribly. They are lovely people. They do not shun me, but I see them very rarely.