I was told by a JW relative that the blood documents for JW's this year are totally different and outline many many procedures that involve blood and blood components, and apparently it is totally up to the JW's conscience and discernment which ones to say yes or no too. Not likely, I think, has anyone heard anything like this?
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Storing Blood okay????
by Mulan inhas anyone heard about the wts changing it's view on storing your own blood?
we heard today, from a friend, who is out of the borg, that they now allow this.
he has a relative who died of leukemia, and the parents (the father is an elder) are very angry now, because this young man could have lived with blood transfusions.
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How do YOU deal with it??
by bad_associashun inhello all- recently joined, had some probs getting logged in, but here at last.... anyway, the question is: for those that can relate, when your heart feels heavy from the hurt, pain, regret, sorrow, bitterness, anger... and the lost years, stolen time, forsaken friends, broken relationships, wasted energies, abandonment, and lost love weighs on you --> caused by wt org.
stress.... how do you get past it?
what heals you, brings you relief, rescues you from total worthless feelings of inadequacy, comforts your wounds, keeps you from jumping on the train tracks?.
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In_between_days
Shun,
Welcome to the board.
I dealt with my discovery of the real truth very badly at first, and did totally the wrong thing, denounced the org to my family with hate and bitterness.
Now they are very wary to talk to me about anything JW related.
After the anger passes (which it does) it is important to focus, like Comf said, on yourself and your skills and goals, look to what you intend on doing in the future, what your goals are, and go for it. Do not live for the present with the view of the world ending at any second.
I did not turn into a major party animal after I left, I am still exactly the same person with the same standards and morals.
Instead, I focus on the things I have always wanted to do and could'nt because of the UNBIBLICAL doctrines of the org. Now I enjoy my life, I can go to college and work towards my career, I can play competitive sports and associate with any nice people I want to.
Thankfully, I have a loving partner to help me through it all, when you start to get over it, instead of feeling anger you will just feel relief and LUCK - you got out, you are free. Its hard to start again, you have to make freinds, instead of having them already made for you, and you have to conquer those horrible feelings of guilt. This place may help you, it may make you more angy, but do what feels right for yourself and you will get through it.
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why waste time?
by lucidentity inif everyone here , or nearly everyone here does not believe the jw's then why waste your time going onto these websites.
when everyone leaves the truth they automaticaly go to jw websites....why?
if you no longer believe it why waste your time?.
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Lucid,
I forgot another website that may help:
www.csicop.org/si/2000-11/beleifs.html
Also, try doing a search on "The New World Translation" this really helped me.
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why waste time?
by lucidentity inif everyone here , or nearly everyone here does not believe the jw's then why waste your time going onto these websites.
when everyone leaves the truth they automaticaly go to jw websites....why?
if you no longer believe it why waste your time?.
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In_between_days
Welcome Lucidentity,
I too like your ID - Let me show you why mine is "In_between_days":
"Those who leave cults frequently experience anxiety, depression, rage, guilt, distrust, fear, thought disturbances, and "Floating" - the shifting from cult to non - cult ways of viewing the world or the sense of being stalled in a foggy, "in between" state of consciousness. This emotional turmoil impairs decision - making and interferes with the management of life tasks."
The above is writted by a cult expert and Phd "Michael D.LAngone", you can see this yourself on www.csj.org/studyindex/studycult/cultqa4.htm
You see, Lucid, alot of these people have been a JW for many, many years, even have been what were claimed to be "The annointed" - (you may like to read "Amazings" personal stories in the personal experiences section)
Now, they are shunned completely by family and freinds.
Lucid, can you imagine if you were treated like you were dead by your family, what kind of effect would that have on you? Not only this, but you believe that the organisation behind your D.F, D.A was completely unjust and false?
How much anger do you think you would feel towards that org? How much hurt?
How would you feel not having anyone to talk to about it, no one who understands? This is precisely why people visit this forum - it is therapy and it helps you to understand that you HAVE made the right decision, that the org IS false, there is a alot of denial at first, but eventually, you come to terms that you were indeed a victim of mind control, and after a while, you begin to feel better. After a while, I did not need ot visit this forum quite so much. After a while, you set your mind on not only yourself and your capabilities, but you examine the bible more than ever before, and search for christian freedom like Ray Franz.
My advise to you - never just beleive what anyone says - including the apostates on here. When ever anyone makes a claim agaist the org - challenge it, ask for UNBIASED PROOF. Allow your mind to THINK- to broaden, examine the evidence - research. You will come to know the truth eventually. Try to stay to topics like "Bible Research" and "Beleifs, docrines and practises".
More importantly, look outside of apostate sites also and stick to medical for evidence - psychology sites were a big help for me. Cult sites are well worth the read, they will enlighten you:
www.factnet.org/rancho1.htm?FACTNet
There are many, many others, just do a search on "CULTS"
You will come to see that this forum is not a waste of time at all.
Hope to hear from you, you can e- mail me any time with any questions.
All the best with your search
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WHY D.A YOURSELF??
by In_between_days inhi guys,.
this is a question for those that have dissasociated yourselves, and it might seem really stupid.. a while back i had a conversation with my parents in which i claimed that if i had ever been baptised i would have certainly dissasociated myself.
i asked whether or not they would still have contact with me.. they said yes, but would avoid having me at family gatherings.. i was not happy with this, but at least it was'nt as bad as shunning.. despite my standing now, my parents are now starting to get over it, and have been great, i cannot imagine my parents shunning me, despite anything i am still their daughter.
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In_between_days
Hi guys,
This is a question for those that have dissasociated yourselves, and it might seem really stupid.
A while back I had a conversation with my parents in which I claimed that if I had ever been baptised I would have certainly dissasociated myself. I asked whether or not they would still have contact with me.
They said yes, but would avoid having me at family gatherings.
I was not happy with this, but at least it was'nt as bad as shunning.
Despite my standing now, my parents are now starting to get over it, and have been great, I cannot imagine my parents shunning me, despite anything I am still their daughter. We had a conversation where I said I thought it was totally unfair if a person wanted to officially leave, they should be able to do so without their family and close freinds shunning them.
My parents said, "Well, why do they have to D.A, why not just leave quitely?"
So, please pardon my ignorance, but why D.A? Is it worth losing your family? I'm really sorry if I am totally missing something here, but I am not very familiar with the D.A process. I ask my some answers why you personally D.A'd, and were you able to just "Leave Quitely"?
Thank You
- Just for the record, I left quitely, but I am pretty much shunned by all my close freinds anyway.
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Memorial attendance
by QUANTUM ini have worked for and with a jw for over twenty years.
for the last three years he has not attended church in any way.......that is except one.......the yearly memorial meeting.
prior to this inactivity he was a staunch supporter in every way a witness is expected to be.
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Memorial attendance by those who not only are inactive but actually DETEST the org is indeed a bizarre phenonmenon.
Personally, when I discovered the truth about the truth I barred the memorial completely - what is the point? Why are we even celebrating the night jesus GOT BETRAYED anyway? And PASSING the wine and bread to each other because we are not one of the annointed and theres crazy aunt Iris taking a gulp, because she claims she is (obviously, she has not been difiled by a woman, so thats o.k) How can JW's possibly assume annointed can be females is beyond me, but thats another story.
The reason so many inactive ones attend the memorial is GUILT - they have not yet properly let go, and still feel a little worried about whether or not they have made the right decision. It also is at times not worth the guilt trips that would be bestowed upon them by their families. I can totally understand this.
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Speech Counsel Point - TIMING
by Mister Biggs intheocratic ministry school (tms) pet peeve of mine is found below.
please feel free to add any that you find as annoying and hypocritical as mine.... last night, brother gramaton* delivered the # 2 talk (bible reading).
he received all of this "wonderful, upbuilding" counsel from brother hank*, the school overseer.
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In_between_days
Can you imagine being a new person, coming to a meeting of Jehovahs Witnesses and this is is the performances that comes up on the stage, where you are SUPPOSED to be learning about god?? Watching people give talks which they have spend SO much time preparing and then be PUBLICLY COUNSELED on such aspects as timing, gestures, eye contact yadda yadda bullshit bullshit.
Publicly counselling a CHILD for gods sake?!!
I personally hated doing talks, not so much the actual deliverance of the talk, but the preperation time, and organising to meet up with your householder to practise, urh. I remember when the elders cracked down on the females practising their talks only before the meeting, not at any other time, and gave a big talk on how apathetic to Jehovah you must be to only put away the time 10 minutes before the meeting to practise your talk. My audience was lucky they got 5 minutes preperation time, sometimes I even thought of improvising, who the hell would know the difference, you're just a skirt regurgitating last tuesdays talk in slightly different words.
Funny, but the topic of this thread is actually why I left the place. I was getting completely over it, but this was my last straw. I had attended the sunday of an assembely out of guilt and dragged my fiance along also, he said he'd give it another chance and listen to the talks, well the one we actually sat down and listened to had the context of the "New Rules" on counseling, replacing "goods" and "work on this" with other similarly bogus words. This talk went for about an hour, tellign the elders about the new rules and everyone listened attentively.
At the end of that talk my fiance and I looked at each other, got up, walked out and caught a taxi home.
That was the last spiritual food I ever ate, god it left a bad taste in my mouth.
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The Truman Show
by ballistic ini think everyone who likes the truman show will like this link whether you are religious or not.
i am not religious but open minded.
when i first saw the truman show, i was struck by it's deeper under tones and the philosophical questions it raises.
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In_between_days
Hi Ballistic
Im with you on this, I watched "The Truman Show" for the first time a few weeks ago on TV, and it really struck me how much I related with Truman.
My absolute favorate part of the movie is when his "creator" is trying ot convince him not to leave and Truman says:
"In case I don't see you, Good afternoon, Good Morning and Good Night"
Love it.
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How many Artists here? Which field of Art?
by invisible ini know i asked this absolutely yonks back, then by the name of celtic, but with so many newcomers here i thought no harm but to ask once again.. how many artists do we have here or working in art related fields including film, music, theatre, environment, gardening, sculpture, graphic design, illustration, fine art, photograpy etc etc?.
what hobbies do you have?
how do you see your future artistic horizons opening up?
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In_between_days
Im an expressionist artist.
I do alot of oil paints, sketches and charcoal.
I also have done a degree in graphic art and cartooning.
When I was in the borg, it was all I ever did (in constant states of depression)
Ive sold a few, and was getting really good, but when my life changed (escaping the borg), I didnt feel the need to express my hidden feelings anymore, adn gave it up.
Now, I am just starting again, my husband bought me art supplies last week, adn I have discovered I am even better now than I was, although my art is quite a bit more positive now (I wonder why?)
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What was your crisis
by JG inwhat was your crisis of conscience, moment of clarity, epiphany or realization?
i am so interested in what got you thinking.
blessing to you,.
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In_between_days
My Crisis:
There was alot of things that annoyed me about the religion, but I guess my turning point was a while ago when an elder hurled my dad into the "backroom" (I was about 18 at the time) and presented him with a book that I had left at his house, (I was freinds with his daughter) it was about evolution. He told my dad this is exactly one of the reasons why he considered me to be bad association for his daughter. My dad was pretty good about it, he thought the elder was a bit over the top to do that, though he did encourage me to take the book back to the library.
I remember thinking "When I have time, i'm going to really look into this organisation - properly" So when I got older and got my life sorted out I did - I did research in books and on the library, as soon as I saw proof for the JW contradictions I left officially.
I have never read "Crisis of concience", though I plan to.