Congrats on the Baby. I was raised as a JW in a divided household and have a little insight to share here. You've noticed people talking about Guilt being the driving force behind much of what JWs do to ensure people stay inline. As a child if I chose to go fishing with my dad instead of a JW meeting I was made to feel (by mom) that Jehovah God was really disappointed in me and I hurt my mom's feelings. How's that for a 4 year old who has to choose? The problem with your mate agreeing to be lenient in the household is that every meeting he goes to. Every time they have a Watchtower article or Sermon about marriage or family He is going to hear that it is his job to make sure his children are raised as JWs and to teach you. If he doesn't he is worse than someone who has no faith. He's going to feel horribly guilty anytime he hears these things and knows he is not doing what he is supposed to do. He WILL be able to convince your children that Jehovah God expects them to want to be JWs. The JWs have decades of experience and numerous publications designed exactly for that purpose. You might want to reasonable and let your children grow and chose for themselves, but he will take every opportunity to manipulate them with guilt to choose his way. He might be a great guy (my mom is awesome I love her to death), but he won't even see that applying the Watchtower's methods as manipulation (you'll see it right away). Good luck with whatever you choose. I hope he can be truly reasonable, but its hard to think he will be if he wouldn't look at things contrary to his beliefs (like this thread). Allelsefails
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So confused
by greenie inso i've been reading this board for a while but never posted.
so, go easy on me!
i have a lot of thoughts, but they're not going to be totally clear.. my story: i was dating a guy, not long, but totally fell in love with him.
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WTS attends as a NGO to OSCE in July- 4 branches present!
by yknot inso i was just cruising www.extj.com/foro.
mary received a interesting bit of osce information via a brother (peter) from germany....... http://www.extj.com/foro/showthread.php?t=14643.
here is the pdf she has uploaded..... http://www.osce.org/documents/odihr/2009/07/38763_en.pdf.
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Reniaa - research before you post please. These meetings are not necessary they are - like the NGO staus of WTS with UN - a voluntary association with the "wild beast" that your own literature condemns. Taking advantage of rights (like Paul in Acts 25:25) is a completly different issue. Why do they deceive us about it?
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The Faithful Steward and it's Governing Body
by Mickey mouse inthis will be studied in two weeks time but it's such a special .
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I like the way it downplays our responsibility to the anointed ones. It says individuals should not be "elevated", but in the illustration of the sheep and the goats Jesus says that we are judged on how we treat his Brothers (anointed). Shouldn't we be clothing them and feeding them? What about the thousands who have started to "partake" this year? I believe this is the article seperating the GB from the "anointed" 10,000 or so now (no doubt will increase). We should only support them as a group not as individuals Right? Again the scriptures say whatever they want them to say. Sad.
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The Watchtower & Logical Fallacies (Long)
by darkl1ght3r in- w86 7/15 p. 20 par.
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Awesome reasoning. I recently was exploring this issue mself going over formal fallacies and the like, but you have saved me a ton of time by putting this together. On #6 - "Name-Calling" I saw it referred to as "ad hominem" (attack the person) same thing I guess - Everything "worldly" is wrong what we give you is right - no need to look at facts or logic. They always resort to this when no answer is available to support their "version" of the truth.
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What did JW believe when JC picked them up in 1919?
by Albert Einstein inwe had a discussion today with my jw wife:.
wife: fd slave is the the only channel to god and you must accept it and obbey them!.
albert: why do you say they are?.
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blondie - very true most of the history is hidden. By "not publishing" the book anymore. "Jehovah's Witnesses in the Divine Plan" book from the 50's is much more honest than the Proclaimers Book of today. Still waiting for an answer myself - more than 3 months later.
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Why don't you just take it like a man?
by AK - Jeff inin a recent thread, i was basically called out in this manner.. here is part of the quote:.
mean no disrespect with the following but i have to ask, when you disassociated yourself what did you think would happen?
did you expect witnesses to suddenly change to accommodate you?
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Why did Jesus go to the temple and through out the money changers? Didn't he realize it would hurt the feelings of people who thought the current system was OK? What about the feelings of the Pharisees? Didn't he care about them?
That is the point for many of us - OPEN their eyes. The same reason they might come to my door. I have not disfellowshipped anyone and I will treat everyone I meet and see as a person who deserves respect. If they want to treat me like dog crap that is their choice.
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Had a discussion with my son. He seems to think that anybody who leaves the truth and says "I only got baptized because of pressure" (pressure from parents or friends) and then leaves is just using it an excuse because they don't want to follow the rules. They are weakly giving themselves an excuse. I tried to make him understand that people really can disagree with JWs and be reasonable thoughtful people. - It is beyond him to think like that unfortuately, but maybe he'll see it someday.
Anyone else have the pressure issue come up? The drama at the DC is a good example of pressure put on young ones.
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WATCHTOWER 15/10/09 RE. D/F'D FRIENDS
by BluesBrother inthis is the 4th study article, to be studied christmas week as it happens.
title - "maintaining friendships in a loveless world".
para 2 "today, what a pleasure it is to be associated with a worldwide organization whose members follow the pattern set by first century christians.
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The point has been well made. Leaving the organization = leaving Jehovah - ie. the organization = Jehovah. They contradict themselves at every turn. I hate that I ever shunned someone because an org told me to.
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Witnesses "Policing" People...Is It True?
by CrimsonBleu inmy sister told me once she likes to "police" people, that it was sort of a game she liked to play.
she is true to her word, she does just that.
always seeking the negative, rarely acknowledging positive...anything.. is this common among witnesses?
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When I was dating my wife the Elders in her congregation had her friend (next door neighbor) report regularly on when I was at my fiance's house how long I stayed, what time I left, etc.... Our elders talked to us about it. I said thanks for the warning - and did whatever I felt like doing anyway. We didn't have sex before marriage, but the "closest" was in the afternoon a day we were together. Funny "spending the night" is wrong, but elders must not have sex in the afternoon? (It's the best!)