I can just imagine it all being passed in small swish and spit dixie cups, poured from the spout on the box wine. Must all watch for cooties and cost!
Heartbreaker
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Other Sheep will start taking the emblems.
by hamsterbait inwas at the kingdumb hell yesterday after a gap.. paragraph 11 planted the seed in the sheeples' heads for this.. remember last weeks study, where martha was quoted as saying: "i know he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.
" (jo 11: 24) the term "last day" was explained as applying to the millennium, in the same way as "judgment day" for those receiving an earthly resurrection.. now for paragraph 11 - i noticed some bemused faces, as usually john 6 is avoided in articles discussing earthly resurrection:.
" "the bread that i shall give is my flesh," he said.
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need help/backup about JW new light
by highdose inok i'm trying to prove certain points to a jw i know who has questions.
i need to know what the new light is about the "generation" and if possible where this new light was launched from eg watchtower, which article etc.... also it has been said here that there is a new thinking about 1935, that happened in 2008 i need to know for definate what this thinking is, and again where it was stated in the wbst litriture.... .
please help this could mean alot to alot of trapped jw's... i can think of 4 already....
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Heartbreaker
Wish I knew in order to help you...hopefully someone here will respond soon. Just felt I should reply, as 120 people have rea this already, and no response. I know that always makes me wonder when it's MY post. Good luck.
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If you were well known as JW at your job and in the neighbourhood...
by Albert Einstein in... how did you handle to let others know you do not consider yourself as one of jws anymore?
did you tell them straigh?
did you explain details?.
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I agree with Blues here, everyone I've told has seemed genuinely relieved for me. The org would like you to believe that Satan is sitting around the corner waiting to jump all over you if you turn away from "the truth" but not one person has tried to lure me over their way. I just get nods, real smiles, and they say they are happy for me. It is such a relief to not have to "hold myself at a higher standard" than others. IOW Be a self righteous bitch with the WT stamp on my ass. I may even gain a few REAL friends out of this.
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If you were well known as JW at your job and in the neighbourhood...
by Albert Einstein in... how did you handle to let others know you do not consider yourself as one of jws anymore?
did you tell them straigh?
did you explain details?.
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Heartbreaker
sorry, double post
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If you were well known as JW at your job and in the neighbourhood...
by Albert Einstein in... how did you handle to let others know you do not consider yourself as one of jws anymore?
did you tell them straigh?
did you explain details?.
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Heartbreaker
I hope this helps, this is the email I sent to all of my kids teachers. It was met with excitement and relief, and only one teacher who I am close to had any questions, which I gladly answered. I don't need to protect the Society anymore, and I shouldn't have to modify my answers to such questions. Below is the email.
Hello! Hope you weekend was a good one! This is ___________, my child(ren) in your classroom has/have some news they are excited to share with you, and have asked me to share it for them in email form. Recently our family has taken a different stance on our faith, which directly effects what we would allow or prefer as far as holiday celebrations and birthdays. As it stood BEFORE, we would have preferred our child not participate in any activities, but NOW we are open to whatever the child feels comfortable with. I know this change is big for them, and would really prefer that you let each and all activities that come into the classroom, holidays, birthdays etc, be an open option to participate if they feel comfortable, and if they aren't sure or don't want to, please understand this is different for them too. They may not know how to react, or how they feel about it. This is new and foreign territory for all of us, as both (Dad) and myself (Mom) were raised in the Jehovahs Witness religion, and have never celebrated any holiday or birthday. This is no longer our religion/faith as we have stepped away from it knowingly, and after much thoughtful consideration. It is no longer the faith which we wish to raise our children. So, if you will, please help navigate our child (ren) through what is exciting and new for them this year, we appreciate so much how you took our faith into consideration in the classroom, and hope that just as easily as you accomodated us in that avenue, that you can introduce the fun activities to our child (ren) in a way that is fun, acceptable, and totally THEIR CHOICE in participating, or sitting out the activity. If you have any questions, my email is always open to you, as well as a phone call. Thank you!
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You are feeling sleepy...very sleepy...
by highdose init occured to me today that while all of you guys were noticing all the "new light"s and flip flops from the society, i didn't while i was in.
i've asked other dubs that i know and they are not aware of it either.
and i think i figured out a large part of why.
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Heartbreaker
I think it's much like Charlie Browns teacher "Wah wwah wwwah wah wwwah" You've heard the same droning tone over and over and over, that unless they say it's an announcement, or there is dramatic pause, you don't even focus in the pupils. And even then, you realize it's just a change in verbage of the same stuff they've been saying for years. Decades even.
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To Angel Eyes & Other WT Apologists
by snowbird init has come to my attention that a much-beloved poster on this forum has been hurt by the insensitivity shown toward her account of how badly she was treated by the wt.. i realize this is a place where are all welcome, and barring any posting guidelines violations, we are free to air our views without fear of any backlash.. however, please keep in mind that most posters here - yours truly being one of them - view the wt in a negative light.
with all the evidence out there pertaining to its deceitfulness, how can anyone view it otherwise?.
i reached out to you, angel eyes, because i sense that you need a friend.
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Heartbreaker
Sylvia, that was a good thing you did, posting that, and worded very well. I'm sure it helped your friend feel better. Hopefully it also hit home for the person that hurt them.
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The funny and the laughable
by Heartbreaker inrelative was reinstated recently .
then....i get a voicemail (from an ignored phone call) from my mother asking to have the youngest three kids this weekend, for "something fun for the kids" and since they can't fit more than 3 in thir car, they want the youngest, and this on the heels of me sending a email to state that i was remembering some damaging things from my childhood (father confirmed pedophile, but until recently it was assumed i was excluded from this) and that i needed some time and some space.
her reply was that i shouldn't let things affect my relationship with jehovah, ruin all the hard work i've done in keeping my kids with jehovah in their heart, and that she did the best she could.
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Yes, they won't be going, you can bet on that....but my parents don't "officially" know why as of yet. I am supposed to be getting up nerve to have a sit down confrontation....but the more time passes, the less I want to make myself subject to that, and let be up for debate or refutal what I feel. I really am not getting the feeling they give a shit anyway.
My husband is of the mind that if and when I dotell them what my memories and flashes are, and my mom doesn't once and for all leave him after having been an abuser more than once before, seperate occasions, then in his eyes she is just as guilty and sick as him. Being closer to the situation, and knowing how much my mom loves my kids, I can't say I feel as strong as he does......but his reply is "well, she should have worried about caring as much for you and your sisters as she does our kids...and if she really DID care, she'd inquire what it the problem now, and not push to have them around him"
I agree with him, but have a hard time taking such a hard and fast stance I suppose.
Thanks for the reply question everything...love the name ;)
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Apologies in advance
by Heartbreaker inthis post may be all over the place.
i've still been reading, any chance i get, but don't post often because of circumstance.
i will have those "aha!
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Heartbreaker
Thanks bluecanary. I know all things with time will bring healing and peace. More time that passes, the farther away from the stress of expectation to DO and GO and PLEASE people will there be, and with that we will care less when people judge, or find out things we are doing.
After I posted this yesterday I expressed to my husband that I dread family finding out that we are celebrating things with our children etc, and he said that it's still not a DFing offense. I couldn't believe my ears. He really truly believes that we can allow our children birthdays, and even participate with them in it and yet not be DF'd. I think he's crazy. Of course if we really are honest, we would "deserve" being DF'd anyway, but thats not something they'd find out from my kids lol. I just dread the conversation that will ensue when they find out is all.
I really believe my husband and I will be JUST FINE....and the kids are already so much happier. They never ask about the meetings, only occasionally ask about assemblies (don't you know, that was an exciting time for kids in the "truth") and hardly mention the family we have preemptively shunned by not speaking with them. They are happier kids.
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The funny and the laughable
by Heartbreaker inrelative was reinstated recently .
then....i get a voicemail (from an ignored phone call) from my mother asking to have the youngest three kids this weekend, for "something fun for the kids" and since they can't fit more than 3 in thir car, they want the youngest, and this on the heels of me sending a email to state that i was remembering some damaging things from my childhood (father confirmed pedophile, but until recently it was assumed i was excluded from this) and that i needed some time and some space.
her reply was that i shouldn't let things affect my relationship with jehovah, ruin all the hard work i've done in keeping my kids with jehovah in their heart, and that she did the best she could.
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Heartbreaker
Relative was reinstated recently and when asked why we weren't going to hear the announcement (about 6 family members were driving to the hall to be there when it was read, not "our" hall) we stated that one our children had cheer. The family member questioning actually said "Why is ______ in XYZ anyway, what a waste of time, unless you are going to allow XYZ all through school!!" Since it was my husband talking, he just flat ignored it completely, I one the other hand would have BLEW UP. What is the big fear with letting a child do an extra activity?? I've never understood that, unless it was just solely for the reason of keeping you from making friends, keep you separate from the "world" and give you more time for field service. It was just incredibly frustrating...they know we haven't been to meetings for a good few months, so to get all sideways about this announcement night, and then attack something my child loves, shame on them.
THEN....I get a voicemail (from an ignored phone call) from my mother asking to have the youngest three kids this weekend, for "something fun for the kids" and since they can't fit more than 3 in thir car, they want the youngest, and this on the heels of me sending a email to state that I was remembering some damaging things from my childhood (father confirmed pedophile, but until recently it was assumed I was excluded from this) and that I needed some time and some space. Her reply was that I shouldn't let things affect my relationship with Jehovah, ruin all the hard work I've done in keeping my kids with Jehovah in their heart, and that she did the best she could. She never followed up to find out what memories there were, or if I was OK...and although I asked for space, given the history of my sisters, you'd think she'd at least clear that up before asking for my youngest children to go with her and my father alone!!!
It's so completely unbelievable. I've ignored the voicemail up till now, and not sure how to respond. Advice?