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  Do You Believe The USA Will Have Another 9/11???

  by minimus in

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  we were very lucky not to have another airplane blow up this past christmas.. do you think we will see this country under a systematic attack in the near future?.

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  Jazzbo

  HappyGuy you nailed it.
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  Do You Believe The USA Will Have Another 9/11???

  by minimus in

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  we were very lucky not to have another airplane blow up this past christmas.. do you think we will see this country under a systematic attack in the near future?.

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  Jazzbo

  I know this is a waste of time for someone who gets his information seining through every lefty, anti-American, conspiracy theory whack job web site on the internet but for the edification of others I will make one reply to WAC's request of a demonstration of the 'myths' he continually spouts. He says the CIA started al-Quaeda. Please see the following for a real world reply to his nonsense. Note that I don't quote "right wing" sources.

  CNN terrorism analyst Peter Bergen says the notion that Osama bin Laden once worked for the CIA is "simply a folk myth" and that there's no shred of evidence to support such theories.

  CNN.com asked users to send questions to Bergen as part of an upcoming documentary, "In the Footsteps of bin Laden." Here are his answers:

  “If it's true that bin Laden once worked for the CIA, what makes you so sure that he isn't still?

  Anne Busigin, Toronto, Canada

  BERGEN: This is one of those things where you cannot put it out of its misery.

  The story about bin Laden and the CIA -- that the CIA funded bin Laden or trained bin Laden -- is simply a folk myth. There's no evidence of this. In fact, there are very few things that bin Laden, Ayman al-Zawahiri and the U.S. government agree on. They all agree that they didn't have a relationship in the 1980s. And they wouldn't have needed to. Bin Laden had his own money, he was anti-American and he was operating secretly and independently.

  The real story here is the CIA didn't really have a clue about who this guy was until 1996 when they set up a unit to really start tracking him.”

  Bergen quotes Pakistani Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, who ran the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) Afghan operation between 1983 and 1987:

  “It was always galling to the Americans, and I can understand their point of view, that although they paid the piper they could not call the tune. The CIA supported the mujahideen by spending the taxpayers' money, billions of dollars of it over the years, on buying arms, ammunition, and equipment. It was their secret arms procurement branch that was kept busy. It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen, and no American official ever went inside Afghanistan.”

  Bin Laden himself has repeatedly denied that he received any American support. “Personally neither I nor my brothers saw any evidence of American help,” bin Laden told British journalist Robert Fisk in 1993. In 1996, Mr. Fisk interviewed bin Laden again. The arch-terrorist was equally adamant: “We were never, at any time, friends of the Americans. We knew that the Americans supported the Jews in Palestine and that they are our enemies.”

  There were two entirely separate rebellions against the Soviets, united only by a common communist enemy. One was financed by Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states and was composed of Islamic extremists who migrated from across the Muslim world. They called themselves “Arab Afghans.” Bin Laden was among them. When the Saudis agreed to match U.S. contributions dollar-for-dollar, the sheikhs insisted that their funds go exclusively to the “Arab Afghans,” possibly including bin Laden. Meanwhile, U.S. funds went exclusively to the other rebellion, which was composed of native Afghans.

  There are reams more that could be shown but this is enough of a waste of time.

  Class Dismissed
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  Illuminati, satanism, bloodlines and CT Russell. Far fetched? Plausable? Rubbish?

  by Aussie Oz in

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  i have started at the beginning in my proving to myself what i find true or not about 'apostate' information.

  so naturaly, this comes up.. it seems a bit out there to me, i mean, the illuminati?

  are we in a movie with tom hanks running around bethel?

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  Jazzbo

  Rubbish, no question.
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  Do You Believe The USA Will Have Another 9/11???

  by minimus in

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  we were very lucky not to have another airplane blow up this past christmas.. do you think we will see this country under a systematic attack in the near future?.

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  Jazzbo

  Interesting how people like WAC and Simon parrot lefty myth after lefty myth while demonstrating that they actually have zero knowledge of Middle Eastern history or any history at all from what I can see. Tell me WAC do you know who Bernard Lewis is? Have you read even one of his books? Evidently not, I'd say that's Class Dismissed.

  And I'm sorry, anyone that says the road to peace with terrorists is negotiation simply lives in an alternate universe fully of fluffy pink clouds.
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  Do You Believe The USA Will Have Another 9/11???

  by minimus in

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  we were very lucky not to have another airplane blow up this past christmas.. do you think we will see this country under a systematic attack in the near future?.

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  Jazzbo

  People like Simon live in fantasy world that denies history and denies fact. The only thing Islamic terrorists want is the end of Western civilization and the death of everyone that won't submit to them. There is only the House of Islam and the House of War as anyone with even a cursory knowledge of Islam very well knows. Good luck with negotiating when they hold you down and cut your head off.

  And yes, there will be more attacks. I am concerned about the "home run" major destructive event scenario but I'm even more concerned that the terrorist will abandon that effort and decide it's more productive to start blowing up shopping malls and shooting up school buses.
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  If Russell were alive I'd punch him in his god da*m face!!

  by foolsparadise in

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  for creating such a stupid unloving hateful religeon.

  id do the same thing to rutheford but three times as bad!

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  Jazzbo

  I actually think Russell was trying to do the right thing but I believe Rutherford was evil and well deserving of some serious smacking around.
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  Pioneering !

  by iknowall558 in

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  question :.

  why is 'pioneering' a 'privilege' when every jw goes out in ministry anyway.

  even those who have lost privileges, or been disciplined, or been reinstated after being disfellowshipped are still expected to go out in the ministry.

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  Jazzbo

  Pioneering is a ploy by the organization to create a divisive class structure in the Organization and another mechanism for beating up the membership.
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  Did any of you study the WT lesson throughly without ANY underlining?

  by asilentone in

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  just wondering.

  it makes me think whoever underlines the wt without going throughly is purely hypocritical.

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  Jazzbo

  I never underlined, I did write the occasional note in the margin or on a separate piece of paper. I remember two things about underlining that make me laugh. I was the Watchtower Study conductor and generally considered to be quite good at it. Some dinosaur of a visiting speaker noticed during the closing prayer that my magazine wasn't underlined and tried to give me some grief about it after the meeting. I showed him my eight pages of notes and it still wasn't good enough so I told him he was a complete moron as well as being a lousy speaker he stomped off in a huff. The other was a CO blowing an hour and a half Elder's meeting teaching us how to to underline our lessons, what a condescending jackass he was. Even the worshipful Elders were hacked off about that.
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  Calling all Americans!!!

  by LucyA in

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  why are americans so paranoid about the government?.

  please understand im in no way trying to be disrespectful to your country im just trying to understand why their seams to be an outcry every time someone mentions the government legislating over something eg healthcare.

  although i dont trust our pollies i would never withdraw my support without at least reading the legislation first.

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  The more that Government can do for you, the more they can do to you and the more they can take away from you.
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  Has Global Warming Reached The Tipping Point of No Return?

  by frankiespeakin in

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  Jazzbo

  The short answer is "no". It has been warmer in the past and it has been colder in the past. There has been more CO2 in the past and there has been less CO2 in the past. Climate changes, it is cyclical and the record doesn't match up to the fear mongering climate models that are being foisted on a gullible public. What kind of cretin decides that the last century or so is the perfect temperature and must be maintained for all eternity of life will end? Barnum was obviously correct.