Posts by zengalileo

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The Walrus Was Paul

by MoneurMallard in

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many new testament biblical students today of both messianic jewish and christian backgrounds, are finding out that paul of tarsus simply doesn't fit with the remainder of new testament theology.

there is an article i've recently read, from the judaism vs. christianity dot com website that deals explicitly with this topic.... well, now i cannot seem to access it, but here is the link:.

http://www.judaismvschristianity.com/paulthe.htm.

zengalileo

Jeff Lynne became the Walrus after John and Paul dropped the ball...

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Does the Issue of Universal Sovereignty make sense to you as an explanation for evil?

by gubberningbody in

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it used to for me, and now it doesn't.. i'm not sure how i was able to accept that argument now that i don't, but perhaps it was connected with my increasing compassion for people and their personal suffering as i've grown older.. now it seems like a sick excuse.

more like a bar-bet with satan and all of creation suffers.. i read paul's words and he has no rejoiner except to say in effect "sucks to be a vessel of wrath...glad i'm not one, but who are you to complain anyway, huh?

who's bigger, smarter and more powerful than you, you, you complaining vessel of wrath, you.

zengalileo

No, and it never did for me. A giant pissing contest between the Devil and God. It's all"I want to be worshipped!" "No I want to be worshipped more!" "No I deserve it cuz I did more yard work than you did!" "Nu uh, Mom said I could get credit for doing the dishes and some inside work!" "No way! Dad told me the boys had to work outside! I deserve to be worshipped!" "Yeah but Dad is always your favorite cuzx you get more home runs in T-ball, but I'm a better fielder!" "Yeah well your a mommas boy anyway."... and it just goes on like that. Real mature God there. I have always tended to think that the Devil, as described in the Jewish Bible, is a much more mature and reasonable person. All the real sick shit in the Bible was done by jehovah. The devil just sits there and calls it like he sees it. Less head games with the Jewish bible devil. Easier to please.

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Self-shunning Syndrome / The Prime Directive

by cedars in

i've recently been reunited with some close family and friends having been away from them for some time in another country.

to begin with, i was a little apprehensive as to how they would treat me.

they don't know the extent of my feelings or knowledge (or what i've been up to!

zengalileo

Wow, that was elegantly put. Yes I have been there for sure. You just made me go back in time to a get together for my neice where my family was all there, and I was out mentally by then. My neice isn't a JW and I felt closer to her, but everyone else all had stories from last night's nmeeting, and prayer had to be given by an elder etc. I couldn't believe my neice was so tolerant of it all those years being an outsider. But I felt like a real outsider that day. I think it was the last get together we all were at together before it all came tumbling down.

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Lawrence Hughes needs 500 dollars by the end of next week

by zengalileo in

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... to continue his case.. for those following it for the last almost 10 years, it is still going and now it looks like the wt is out of tricks and stunts.

he is going to win on all counts.. he has won major decisions recently.

the last trick the bastards at the watchtower are trying is to prove he is financially incapable of sustaining the suit.

zengalileo

... to continue his case.

For those following it for the last almost 10 years, it is still going and now it looks like the WT is out of tricks and stunts. HE IS GOING TO WIN ON ALL COUNTS.

he has won major decisions recently. The last trick the bastards at the Watchtower are trying is to prove he is financially incapable of sustaining the suit. And they are right. He doesn't have the money to continue.

PLEASE don't let this one slip away. I know the details of the case. He is going to win and the WT is going to have s#!t on their faces when it is done.

I can't think of a better reason for ex-JWs to get togather and accomplish something. Give today. Be an activist. Get involved.

Personally I do not want to support the case if he doesn't have an awesome lawyer backing him up. That is going to be tens of thousands of dollars wihtout a doubt. So what? Let's do it. Let's just get together on this and kick Watchtower butt. isn't it time?

Forget all that... DO IT FOR BETHANY...please.

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Any old friends of Shawn Dean from El Monte or Bethel out there?

by zengalileo in

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i have not been actively posting on this site for a few years.

my handle used to be shawn10538 i think, but then i got put on reproof or something.

but when i was a little addicted tothis site before i actually got reaquainted with a few friends that i knew many years ago as a pioneer and a bethelite.

zengalileo

There is going to be a big event at Randy's on Oct. 22 as sort of a kick -off event. We will have a mobile blood donation unti there accepting blood in the name of Jehovah's Witnesses. Email me about the details. We need someone to be there filming the thing. There should result several You Tube videos as a rersult. People will be coming from all over the States and a few from overseas. It is going to be awesome.

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Any old friends of Shawn Dean from El Monte or Bethel out there?

by zengalileo in

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i have not been actively posting on this site for a few years.

my handle used to be shawn10538 i think, but then i got put on reproof or something.

but when i was a little addicted tothis site before i actually got reaquainted with a few friends that i knew many years ago as a pioneer and a bethelite.

zengalileo

I have not been actively posting on this site for a few years. My handle used to be shawn10538 I think, but then I got put on reproof or something. But when I was a little addicted tothis site before I actually got reaquainted with a few friends that I knew many years ago as a pioneer and a Bethelite. I am hoping in the past 3 or 4 years more of my old friends have left, so if you know me, say hi. Let's catch up.

Zen Shawn Dean

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The Dog that did not bark: Jehovah's Witnesses' greatest mystery

by Terry in

'the dog that didn't bark' is an expression from a sherlock holmes mystery.

it was an important clue that led to identifying the criminal.. it seems that the killer entered and left the estate grounds one night but without the guard dog barking an alarm at the intruder's presence as expected.. from this nonevent holmes reasoned that the dog must have known the killer and that clue led to solving the case.. .

jehovah's witnesses are "the dog that didn't bark.".

zengalileo

Very interesting. i'm still not sure I know who the dog is and who is the thief, and who is barking and who is not, and why, but it still was very interesting.

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My Sister Died This Morning After Refusing Blood On Four Occasions.

by still wondering in

zengalileo

So nice of AnneB to be so insensitive and dumb. what do you think Anne B? Did refusing blood have nothing at all to do with her death? Duh... drool.... yeah like buying a bunch of puppies right before she died. Yeah Anne B she died because of thew puppies. Nothing to do with blood. How stupid can you be. And how insensitive.

I'm very sorry for your loss.

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Publication about blood transfusions and JW

by Eclectic in

i wanted just to inform you about a publication, in case you are not aware of it, called declaration on the refusal of the jehovah's witnesses to accept blood transfusions (published in catalan, spanish and english) by the observatori de bioetica i dret (i. e. observatory of bioethics and law) of the university of barcelona from november 2005, which states: "it is important to recognise and highlight the issue which underlies the debate: the doubt arising in certain cases on the part of medical personnel regarding the degree of autonomy with which members of jehovahs witnesses take decisions to refuse blood transfusions.

the usual presence of persons who act as mediators between the patient and the doctor may lead to doubts regarding the moral autonomy with which certain patients make decisions concerning their treatment.

certain health professionals claim although confi rming these claims would prove diffi cult that for some jehovahs witnesses imposition by the doctor of the blood transfusion is a form of liberation of the patients own moral responsibility since the patient is not then allowed to decide anything and the risk to life is avoided.

zengalileo

Thanks for posting this. this is awesome because it is exactly what I have been saying for some time. A patient's true autonomy is only realized when the doctor steps in aand forces a blood transfusion thereby saving their lives. The reason why this "liberates" the patient is as long as the Death committee is there bullying the witness guilt tripping them into dying for their stupid cause, no autonomy exists and the patient's true desire outside of extreme religious pressure is never known. It is only when an authority for the OTHER side of the issue steps in and asserts opposing pressure that a BALANCEd moral dilemma is finally presented to the patient. If the patient at that point was really serious about preventing so much as a drop of blood into their bodies, they would fight and kick and scream rape like all of our parents told us to do as kids if we were ever going to have a transfusion forced upon us.

But if the patient relents and allows the so-called forced blood transfusion, that shows that when it allcame down to it they really didn't give a crap if they got blood or not. Their true feelings about the matter would show then. that doesn't mean that once they get back to the Kingdom Hall they won't sue the pants off the doctor with the support of FREE legal representation from the society. But deep down inside they will be happy to be alive. god bless them.

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Mommy, I don't want to play blood count limbo anymore, it hurts

by zengalileo in

dear mommy,.

having cancer hurts.

mommy i dont like the new doctor.

zengalileo

Mommy, I don’t want to play Limbo anymore

Dear Mommy,
Having cancer hurts. I hurt all the time. It used to be better, in the beginning. I could breathe then. But then the doctor started talking about numbers. Do you remember that Mommy? I remember I was a 12.5. Then I was a 10. Then I was a 7.5 and I couldn’t breathe the same anymore. I would take a deep breath, but it just wasn’t the same as before. I felt like I was breathing but I wasn’t getting any air. My stomach would go up and down, and I just wanted more air all the time. That’s when it really started to hurt mommy. Does Jehovah want me to hurt like this Momma? If I don’t hurt anymore, will He still let me into the New System?
That’s when you and the doctor started playing Limbo. I want to tell you Mommy, I don’t like it when you play Limbo with my air. The doctor said that if I got to 6 he would give me a blood transfusion and I would be able to breathe again. For a second I was happy, cuz I really wanted to breathe again. But then I remembered Jehovah doesn’t like people who take blood transfusions. So I got sad again.
The doctor started threatening to get a court order to transfuse. And I was happy, cuz then I could breathe but it wouldn’t be my fault or my Mommy’s fault. Jehovah would just be mad at the judge and the doctor then. But mommy, remember? You said, “Well he seems fine. ( I felt terrible) Let’s see if he can go a little lower.” And I remember the doctor said my number was a six. Then it was a 5 and I thought for sure you would give in. I was gasping for breath and I felt woozy all over. But you said, “No doctor. It’s not time yet. Let’s see if he can go any lower. He seems fine.” Mommy, why are you torturing me? It hurts when you play the Limbo game, mommy.
I wanted to tell you mommy, why couldn’t we let the doctor give me blood when I was a number 6? Now I am a number 3 and you keep telling the doctor you will sue, or take me to some other hospital if he treis to give me blood. Mommy, isn’t Jehovah happy I have suffered as long as I have? Mommy, I’m not sure I want to live anymore. I want to see you and daddy still, but won’t I be happiuer in the New System anyway? Mommy, I want to die. I can’t breathe and everything hurts.
2.5. Am I winning at Limbo now Mom? Mo.. mommy.. (cough) It’s really har.. hard to th.. think now. Mm. I can’t .. I want my l… last word to be.. Je…(gasp) ho.. vah. He must be happy with me now that I’ve made it all the way down to 2.5. But the new doctor came in smiling and happy today saying, “Don’t worry, I had a patient go all the way down to 1.5. We just put him in a chemically induced coma and eventually he came back. He is alive today, with only minor neurological damage.” Mommy I don’t like the new doctor. When will this game be over/ When will I have suffered long enough to make Jehovah happy? Mommy, why is it so hard to make Jehovah happy? Is he happier when I am being tortured than when I feel good? Why does Jehovah love to see me suffer?
Mom.. jus.. one.. more thing.. I can’t think and they are going to put me in one of those comas. But I don’t know.. maybe the next time I see you it will be the N.. New Sys….Sist.. mmm. I just want to tell you one more thing.. before they put me under.. Mommy don’t do this to Jack my little bro.. If he needs a blood transfusion just give it to hi…. (gasp) him. I think Jehovah wants Jack to not suffer. I don’t like suffering. And I hate it when you play the “How low can he go” game. I hope I suffered enough to make Jehovah happy.. Goo.. G’ bye M… Mom………………………….

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