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cyberjesus
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Help! Hold Me Back From Voicing My Opinions And Getting Shunned!
by nextdoorgirl ini am new to this board after lurking for awhile (thanks so much for creating this place simon, and for everyone's shared thoughts!).
i am going crazy because i have recently allowed myself to begin thinking (and it is so fun!
) and i am an outspoken person, and it is very hard for me to keep my opinions and discoveries about this place under my hat!
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Hi all...I think it's time to introduce myself
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cyberjesus
welcome, take it very easy, do not talk to any JW yet. JWs are a mind control cult. They are not prepared to hear ANYTHING. start reading everything on mind control, then research the bible and its origins.
cheers.
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LOVE your ENEMIES: where Jesus goes wrong
by Terry inmatthew 5:44 "but i say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,.
luke 6:35 "but love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return.
the most radical teaching attributed to jesus has implications if followed.. an invading hoarde of mongols would not be resisted.. a christian husband would not only allow his wife and daughters to be raped; he would be compelled to forgive the rapist, pray for him and offer.
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cyberjesus
Hate the sin? Thats a theological concept. For society it would hate the crime. Sin is a matter of Religious point of view not related the same as crime. Even christians should not hate someone for their sexual preference, only actions that harm others or people who knowingly and willingly do harm to others regardless of what people say Jesus said.
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How Do You Feel Being Thought Of As An "Apostate"?
by minimus indoes it bother you if witnesses regard you as an apostate?.
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cyberjesus
Actually the JW religion is filled with Apostates. All of the ones who abandoned their former religion to become JWs are Apostates of their former religion.
Me I was Kicked out for having escape-sex with a nice girl therefore I didnt abandoned my religion i was expelled from it. My Dad is more apostate than me since he was Catholic before he was a JW and he is still and elder than me that I dont believe in God :-)
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LOVE your ENEMIES: where Jesus goes wrong
by Terry inmatthew 5:44 "but i say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,.
luke 6:35 "but love your enemies, and do good, and lend, expecting nothing in return.
the most radical teaching attributed to jesus has implications if followed.. an invading hoarde of mongols would not be resisted.. a christian husband would not only allow his wife and daughters to be raped; he would be compelled to forgive the rapist, pray for him and offer.
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cyberjesus
Absence of love doesn't imply presence of hate. There are many "Interpretations" to the words given by Jesus© therefore people can agree with what he meant. If we are to only listen to that Statement = Love your Enemies and not try to interpret it but just understand it "Have deepest caring feelings for the people who want to harm you and do you bad" - That is ridiculous and dangerous. Not only for ourselves but for society.
An enemy is not necessarily someone who has done us wrong but someone who wants to do us wrong. Could we love someone who wants to do us wrong? Yes we can. Its a higher and deeper feeling.
Lets say my son thinks that I want to hurt him so he decides to do me wrong. He became my enemy. Can I love him? yes because I know he has been misled. he perhaps made a stupid or irrational decision but I still am able to love him because he is my son and I know that people make mistakes.
What if he hits me? Now he caused me harm he has become and active enemy. Could I still love him? Yes. Do I love his actions? Do I love his decisions? No. I hate his actions and I hate his decisions but I am able to love him still. I am able to Love my Enemy. Because I loved him before he became my enemy. However his actions have repercussions because he cause me harm and in order for him not to do it again he needs to be punished and retribution needs to be give to person harmed.
Can we Love our Enemies? Yes we can. Should we love all our enemies? No. Can we love some of our enemies and still have justice and protect society? Yes but All the factors need to be considered.
I would say instead RESPECT ALL YOUR ENEMIES. That is very important. They are our enemies and they have the potential of harm us. Therefore in order to avoid harm we should respect their potential and their power. If they actually harm us then JUSTICE must be procured either by LAWS or some other way in order to protect the society.
Should we HATE our enemies? no we dont have to. We can respect them. We could hate their actions but sometimes our enemies are in the right to hate us or our actions..What if I am molester and people hate me because I like to molest people. They are my enemies. They want me to receive punishment and cause me harm, not for revenge but for Justice. I might hate them. But what if feel so bad for the harm I cause them. What if I realize that I made wrong and therefore I accept the punishment I receive? Can I love my enemies? YEs. Did you ever do wrong when you were little and then regret it and wanted to receive punishment for it? Did you ever feel love to the punisher for the sake of Justice?
If we ALL as a society learn to do good to our RACE, ALL THE LIVING THINGS, AND THE WORLD then we start creating a loving environment. A respectful environment. A society were the enemy is selfishness and not the individuals. There are some countries where Jails are not locked. Because the individuals understood their wrong and accept the punishment. They are ENEMIES of society we could love them but not their actions. In such countries crime is less and punishment is minor compared to selfish countries. Any harm done to any individual is a harm done to all of us a society event to the person committing the crime.
How about Love all the Living things, Hate the actions that cause harm. Hate the persons that want to cause harm to any living thing, willingly and knowingly of their actions without searching for a civilized system of Justice.
LOVE YOUR ENEMIES is as logical as to say HATE YOUR FRIENDS.
And by the way WE dont need God to come to this conclusions we just need to sit and think what is better for all of us. We act selfishly as human beings not because we have SIN(tm) inside our flesh but because we look for our interest first then the interests of our community then our species, then our planet (we look for our individual survival first naturally) But as we become more evolved then we can start to teach our young one that WE MUST look for the interest of our planet in connection with our own interest.
Just thinking.
PS, we cant even be sure that Jesus said those words. Its all hearsay documents with no less than 200 years after he existed. There are no originals by him or any eye witness. Only hearsay that makes for a good story and lots of books and for us to keep debating about it in these boards... dont you love religion? Thank God for his clarity :-)
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What now? Where to from here on in?
by Aussie Oz inwell, it is about six months since i came on here.. i have a stack of files and information at my finger tips that frankly i dont know what to do with!
it is almost like i have forgotten more than i learnt when i go back through it all.
sometimes i re-read stuff just to make sure i am really really sure of it all.. one of my main reasons for beginning this journey from apologist to 'apostate' was first to de-construct the power that held me since i was 10 and secondly, when i realized the truth about the 'truth' and the watchtower corporation/s, to get my kids out of it.. on one hand i want the wbts to be some distant forgotten memory but realize this probably will now not be until i feel they are 'safe' and.
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cyberjesus
Hey Oz, we all know the feeling, just sit tight and get more things to do. get busy and get your mind distracted, it will give you something to think while you wait until you feel freeer.
The other day I was thinking... what if I am wrong? haha and then I went back to have sex with my girlfriend
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My Cong= Even Anointed Sisters and Pioneers watching "The Bold and Beautiful" why do women like melodramatic crap??
by Witness 007 inyes an anionted sister and even some pioneers secretly must be home at 4 pm to watch this show....today my wife and i while cooking dinner...."shhh my show is on!
" so, i watched some of it to see what's the deal.
a bunch of pretty models were being bitchy to an old lady who didn't like what they are doing to "the company.
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cyberjesus
It's been my experience the JW women relate to this even more then "Worldy women" because it most accurately reflects the backstabbing, gossiping, and underhanded dealings of the Kingdom Halls more than any other shows on TV.
Yeah that doesnt happen anywhere else, the writters of the soap operas think of JW demographics for their shows :-)
women are more interested than man in that kind of shows, regardless of their religious affiliations, emotional people are attracted to emotional shows... I am a men and I used to like some soap operas in Mexico :-) and they are even more melodramatic
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Did Jesus say: GO FEED MY SHEEP as much crap as you can?
by Terry inin 1922 new emphasis was placed on door to door selling of books and magazines by judge rutherford.
a set of 10 of his own books would eventually be sold for about $ 2.50 (about twenty five dollars in today's money).. the colporteur work under russell was not too dissimilar to fuller brush salesmen or vacuum cleaner sales.
rutherford would prove to be as prolific a writer as russell and kept the pressess churning out his angry screeds which attacked roman catholics, jews (big business), government and imagined conspiracies with the devil.
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cyberjesus
Thats why I never read the books when they came out.... I knew they were gonna be outdated soon :-D .... Now when my mother sends me a book and asks me to read I say to her "I am gonna wait for the next book with the most current light"
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Conscience or Mind Control?
by hotspur inthis was plainly wierd.
i'm telling this story to warn others of the power of mind control.. not long after my marriage failed i met a darling photographer who has since become my wife.
i walked away from the borg, never to look back.
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cyberjesus
It sounds like remote mind control.
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"The Vincible Ignorance of Atheism"
by leavingwt inone evangelical's perspective on atheism, and 'red meat' for all.
the vincible ignorance of atheism.
david harts recent essay on the new atheists has been receiving a great deal of attentionand criticism.
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cyberjesus
damn i like that picture