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  thousands and thousands killed by nazis

  by buffalosrfree in

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  oh one more thing, i remembered wife saying, said speaker at yesterdays meeting mentioned that "thousands and thousands, of jdubs were killed ny the nazis.

  can you believe it, wish he had of checked with the watchtower observer and really seen just how many thousands of thousands equated to.

  i guess you don't have to tell the truth there you just have to keep repeating liesk, because if you tell a lie long enough it eventually will sound like the truth.

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  digderidoo,
  Your question was "how many were killed"?
  Well that dedends on how the WTS wants to spin things, i.e. if they are trying to show how those german JW's were protected by God well the number would go way down[ this was the spin back in the early 70"s , I think maybe the 74 yearbook put the number around 200
  . Now though it seems to be a numbers game with more creditibility and honor if the numbers are higher and that seems to be the case here.
  jeffory
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  Further adventures with Mom

  by Mulan in

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  yesterday my brother came to visit for the day, so we could visit our stepfather in the nursing home, and our cousin in the hospital, and we went to lunch, and came back to my house, picked up our 87 year old father, who lives with me, and went to visit our 88 year old mother, dad's ex-wife.

  they get along great......now!!

  all of us are ex dubs, (not mom) and brother dear is df'd, but only for 23 years, ha hahahaha.

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  jeffory

  Mulan,
  It sounds like your mother is a real pill. I know you still love her but what a thing to have to deal with.
  My father and I have always had a love hate relationship, He knows all the buttons to push and when the mood strikes He dosen't hesitate to push. The good thing is that he now lives in Arizona . We see him once or twice a year but now with advancing age we are thinking of moving down there . I have mixed feelings, but He was always there for me durng some pretty rough times [30 years ago] , a "good" JW parent would have disowned me yet in spite of our strained relationship he was there.
  Its only during the last 2 years of reflection that I have been able to see that.
  When She is gone I know you will be glad you acted with respect towards her even if it was'nt returned.
  jeffory
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  JUSTICE #3 - Sin worse than Apostasy!

  by Amazing in

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  a sin worse than apostasy .

  there was a very nice young couple in our congregation with one child.

  no one could see why she should not be reinstated.

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  Amazing,
  Always enjoy your post's. The grief and emotional pain these modern day Inquisition's impose on others is horrible. I firmly believe they [WTS] will answer for their crimes aganist humanity ,later if not sooner.
  I would encourage you to compile your series into book form, maybe get info. from others. Maybe you have already thought of it. Just my 2 cents.
  Good Luck jeffory
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  My Path

  by Victor_E in

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  the wall that heals .

  i took off for the weekend last month .

  just to try & recall the whole year.

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  jeffory

  Victor,
  Wonderful post.
  I too had the opportunity to see the traveling wall last year while visiting my dad in Arizona , for some years I had refrained from going. I had 4 names to look up , my cousin I escorted home from a firebase outside of Hue to his burial outside of Everett ,Wa. He was killed on Mothers Day 1968 .We grew up together,went in the Army within a few months of each other. The other three were members of my platoon in vietnam , My buddy Richard K. Crissweell III and I made a pact to escort each other in case of the others death, when he was killed , his parents requested I be his escort home unfortuanently I was in the hospital with malaria. So many lives cut short.
  I enjoyed your post. Life as a free man with all its chances for disaster is still better then Life where you have to give up your freedom of choice.

  Hope your happy
  jeffory
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  The Watchtower Injures Families and Hurts Kids

  by metatron in

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  i've made this point before but it bears repeating.. the watchtower, with its extreme standards, injures.

  families and hurts kids.. parents have a responsibility to teach and safeguard.

  their kids.

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  Metatron.
  Ditto. I have 3 daughters, I love them dearly, If I could turn the clock back 10 years I would be a happy camper.
  My oldest daughter was baptized at 14( bad move) I should have never allowed that to take place for now my parental rights were to be removed from me and my wife just as number 1 daughter was moving into pubertyville. She was now accountable to the '''drum roll here for effect''''Judicial Committee. God the things I would change if I vcould go back in time. She was disfellowship[ped at 16 an unwed mother at 20. fINALLY i CAME TO MY SENSES I was not going to be a good ,loyal J>W> Caanitite and sacrifice my firstborn on the altar to Watchtower, She came home ,we nurtured her ,helped her get a start of an education so she could take care of herself and now she is married and reasonable happy.
  Last week she was visiting and I apologized for putting the Org. over family ,encouraged her to further her education while she is relatively young [27].
  I'am so glad for second chances in life.
  Life is still good
  jeffory
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  upcoming district convention

  by jeffory in

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  i n the 6/08/01 awake back cover invite to this summers d.c., it informs us that the drama will be .... guess what boys and girls... yes another delightful, upbuilding consideration of those wild and crazy guy's ..dathan, abiram and last but not leastkorah.. the article said the drama would be fgollowed by a talk on its application today.

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  anybody care to guess about the content os said talk.. jeffory

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  jeffory

  I n the 6/08/01 Awake back cover invite to this summers D.C., it informs us that the drama will be .... guess what boys and girls... yes another delightful, upbuilding consideration of those wild and crazy guy's ..Dathan, Abiram and last but not leastKorah.

  The article said the drama would be fgollowed by a talk on its application today.
  Anybody care to guess about the content os said talk.
  jeffory
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  How long was it for you?

  by expatbrit in

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  i'm curious: how many years were you in before you left?

  by left, i mean either df'd and decided not to go back, or da'd, or faded, or even just realized it was a crock but stuck around anyway for family reasons?.

  we're told in la-la-land that it's the newly baptized, those who are "spiritually immature" that mostly leave.

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  jeffory

  came in in 1974, after 2 tours in vietnam i was ready to be plucked.
  i was and i was off like gangbusters, a true believer,how many times i beat myself up when my mind would begin to kick in and start to logical think.
  the straw that broke it all was the "new light" in 96 or97 regarding the change in doing alternative service , before it had been totally out and those who were faced with that issue went to prison and worse to be 'loyal to god" . with the new light these ones were sold out with the words '" their consciences were to hard therefore they went to prison, but they have no regrets".
  after that i went to the library and read c of c and apocalypse delayed. the scales came off . then found the old h20 site and that was it.
  stepped down as an elder last year. the gossip started among the most lovingest people in all the world. its enough to turn my stomach.
  still have some knotty entanglements[ family]etc.
  i am thankful for sites like this which expose the masters of propaganda. i try not to be bitter. life is a gift that i will no longer waste by filling it with guilt and other wt tools.
  jeffory
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  Feeling desperate................

  by nicolaou in

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  please listen.

  im not the first to go through this, i wont be the last.. i was raised in the truth as a result of my mum starting a study when i was 4 years old.

  that was in 1968. the hysteria of a 1975/armageddon was just beginning to take root and the sister who studied with my mum was 100% sure of it.

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  nicolau,
  sounds like you have a wonderful family.you have to fight for it.
  in wt world the tactics are a little different. for instance making sudden moves is bound to draw negative attention that is detrimental to the well being of the family. i am not saying that one should never make a move away , but only that one should make a move only when they are sure of where they are going and how they will get their. i think that when one is single or with no jw relatives that mean anything to ones well being it is'nt so critical but when you have children one needs to be sure of where you step.
  the consequences are too severe , the stresses placed on families by df'ing or da'ing are too much for many to survive as an intact unit.
  gurilla warefare is my answer rather then conventional warefare tactics to their power. make your move when you are ready,you be in control rather then giving them the "stick".
  just my 2 cents
  god bless jeffory
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  Kingdom Hall thinning out?

  by OrangeBlossom in

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  i was thinking about the post about japan closing about 300 congregations in the past 3 years.

  i know that the hall i occasionally go to is usually less than half full compared to a few years ago.

  my mom says that the elders in her hall are trying to come up with ways to get more to attend as attendance is really bad.

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  jeffory

  here in the seattle area meeting attendance is a chronic problem.
  last co's visit he said that we have lost 7 pub's to inactivity since last visit, and that he is seeing that in all the circuit.
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  Jehovah's Happy People

  by joelbear in

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  my parents are witnesses and my brother who has been inactive most of his life still says it is the truth.

  they are all very unhappy people.

  i got to thinking about it and i can't recall ever knowing any witnesses who were very happy.

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  joel.
  I think your observations are right on the money. The happiest people on the face of the earth are riddled with negative emotions
  put on us by one of the most effective organizations at making people feel like whatever they do is not ever enough.
  In my own family I remember when as a true believer I constantly was nagged by the negative motivation's we get from the service meeting
  to do more , more , more, like a hampster on a wheel. It finally came to me that the only person that would make me happy is me, with that epiphiany i finally began my own recovery.
  good luck jeff