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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  JeffT

  Other countries have a better balance of rights.

  What does this mean?
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  Just quit quietly - the law is on your side!

  by Ajax in

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  freedon of religion guarantees any individual the legal right to abandon any religion at any time for any reason.. if you are a citizen of a country which champions human rights, then your government doesn t care what religion you join, but they will uphold your freedom to join it, without interference, coercion or persecution.

  your countries human rights legislation will conversely uphold your rights when it comes time to abandon any religion you so choose.

  those (elders) who incite others interfere, coerce or persecute those who have left will be in transgression of the human rights statutes.. a person is only obligated to ecclesiastic law if he exposes himself to it or transgressed it while still a member of a religious community.. when your time comes to abandon the jw-wt cult, do it while still in good standing, be proactive - be decisive -put it in writing!..and do it before the hounders set sights on you.. write a card or letter with as much or as little explanation as you one day might wish to share with pharisees and lawyers.. take this card to a notary public to have your signature witnessed and have the writing overstamped in several places with the date.

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  JeffT

  Does anybody know if this will hold up in court. In other words can this be used to bring a suit against the watchtower?

  No it won't. The Watchtower is also free to associate or not associate with people as it sees fit. And you're free to leave if you want. Your family and freinds are free to stop talking to you if they so desire. The UN statement on freedom of religion is more like a goal or a statement of principle than a law.
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  This could be an interesting court case to watch.

  by JeffT in

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  http://www.christianpost.com/news/kansas-church-that-left-presbyterian-church-usa-takes-property-fight-to-court-130936/the short version: a presbyterian congregation voted to leave the presbyterian church (usa) and join a more conservative presbyterian organization.

  the lawsuit is over who owns the building.

  obviously, this is of interest to the xjw community given the recent land grab by the watchtower society.

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  http://www.christianpost.com/news/kansas-church-that-left-presbyterian-church-usa-takes-property-fight-to-court-130936/
  
  The short version: a Presbyterian congregation voted to leave the Presbyterian Church (USA) and join a more conservative Presbyterian organization. The lawsuit is over who owns the building. Obviously, this is of interest to the XJW community given the recent land grab by the Watchtower Society.
  
  I blogged awhile back about a California case where the judge ruled that the Watchtower, as a hierarchical church could do what it wanted, no matter what the locals decide. This case may be different in that the locals have decided to join a different church. Do they get to take their building with them?
  
  This could have a lot of impact on the churches in the US, no matter which way it goes. http://pathologicallyintellectual.blogspot.com
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  Guess who...

  by sooner7nc in

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  ...just passed his last nursing final and is now a graduate nurse?.

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  Congratulations
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  I have a TASK for you to perform. Come on--it will be FUN!

  by Terry in

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  look up in the right-hand corner of this page.. find where it says welcome (name).. did you locate that?.

  now click on your name and observe the new page loading takes you to a top blue bar with a menu.. it should read:.

  active topics search members topics started .

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  JeffT

  This one generated 18 pages, 344 replies

  http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/members/politics/206542/1/Some-thoughts-on-unions
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  So, are you thinking of coming back?

  by kairos in

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  that's a crazy question.. they really mean, "do you regret your decesion to leave".. ---.

  it's just an ice breaker to become nosy into one's personal life.. ---.

  btw, last time i was asked this, no, everytime i'm asked this i reply with: "i'm never coming back".. they seem to hear that.. .

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  JeffT

  Every recovering alcoholic/addict contemplates using again, smart ones take an extra second to contemplate the resulting desctruction in their lives and move on quickly.

  Asking me if I want to go back to the KH initiates the same process.
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  How did your family react when you made it known that you did not want to be a JW anymore?

  by Yondaime in

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  please share your experiences..

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  JeffT

  Since none of my family is JW, they were ecsatatic when I left.
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  My dog just died.

  by panhandlegirl in

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  i just buried my beloved poddle, little brother.

  he died suddenly.

  i know to most people that is not an important event.

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  JeffT

  I am sorry to hear this. Losing a dog can be rough, I've been through it a couple of times.
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  Cartoon -- conditions of membership

  by FatFreek 2005 in

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  yes, it's a cartoon, but it's not actually funny.. .

  the text not suit you?

  here's a blank drawing you can use to brew your own.. .

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  JeffT

  I'm too lazy to photoshop the dialog bubble.

  "Now that you're baptized kid, the Mickey Mouse ears have to go, they're Satanic."
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  JW-College-Police!

  by Atlantis in

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  states he is a jehovah's witness near the end of the article.. .. http://www.press-citizen.com/story/news/education/2014/12/02/green-helped-shape-ui-public-safety-police-force/19798329/?utm_source=jw+news+and+archive&utm_campaign=47e569bee3-rss_email_campaign&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_5caf9e1836-47e569bee3-29185349&ct=t(rss_email_campaign ).

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  JeffT

  I seem to remember that JW's could not take a job that required carryin gun, but its been a long time (I was in 1973-1987). My recollection is that you could be DF'd if it caused a probllem in the congregation. Now here this guy is advocating to public officials that his employees should be armed. I suspect he's the guy that they point to when they want to show people how normal they are. That may change when he's no longer that guy.