JeffT

Joined

• started 469 topics
• posted 8,557 times   see topics posted on
• send a message

Posts by JeffT

• 
  42

  Are't You Sick of This??

  by Explorer in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  aren't you sick of being filled with so much hate ?

  i think hate is one of the greatest sins.

  satan hates jehovah, and his people.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  I'm saddened by those that are caught in a man-created false religion that is destroying lives and wasting people's faith. I'm here to try to help those that want to escape that religion and its effects.

  More importantly I'm here to bear witness to the real Jesus, the one who loves you unconditionally and died on the cross for you personally. The Jesus that doesn't tell you you have to spend your life jumping through hoops to get saved. The Jesus who stands next to His Father, and when you sin says "I took care of that."
• 
  45

  How the Net will reduce WTS ranks

  by Seeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she is studying with one of jws.

  she has a study with her teacher, and then she comes here and talks about it.

  she learns that the wts teaches one thing to new ones, but something else entirely to those who are already baptized.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  I too would like to know what lies I'm telling. My letter documenting what I believe to be false prophecy by the Watchtower is no circulating in cyberspace. If something in it is wrong I'm morally obligated to correct my facts.

  So far no one has told me what I need to fix.
• 
  45

  How the Net will reduce WTS ranks

  by Seeker in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  she is studying with one of jws.

  she has a study with her teacher, and then she comes here and talks about it.

  she learns that the wts teaches one thing to new ones, but something else entirely to those who are already baptized.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  No, it's proof that Jesus can use anything man invents to bring Him to His people.
• 
  42

  Disfellowship?????????????????????

  by tattoogrl333 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  today's study topic included disfellowship.

  i'm a little confused i was told that the only way you can be disfellowshipped was if you did something you knew went agains jehovah and would not repent for it.

  but the only person you can repent to is jehovah......... then i was told that the elders can however "keep the flock pure" b/c if jehovah is not happy with the congregation he can take his holy spirit away.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  Let me start with a couple of facts about myself:
  1) I am a Christian. I believe in the Bible, I believe that God is supreme in all matters, and that Jesus Christ died for my sins.
  2)As a Jehovah's Witnesses I was never disfellowshipped, or even called before a judicial committee.

  I'm saying this so that I don't have to listen to the likes of God Rules telling me I'm unrepentant.

  Disfellowshipping as practiced by Jehovah's Witness is unscriptural and mean. Once you become a witness asking the kind of questions you are asking here will get you disfellowshipped. All your new friends will have to stop talking to you.

  Yes, you only have to demonstrate repentance to God, but if you don't go talk to the elders that in itself you show that you are not repentant. You will also be required to report any wrongdoing you find out about to the elders.

  A number of years ago, while in a state of clinical depression following the death of her father, my wife's aunt fell into sin. What she needed was counseling, medication and support. What she got was disfellowshipped.

  Yes, the elders have a duty to keep the congregation clean. In my church this is handled by helping those that fall into sin see that they need to make changes. This is brought about by prayer, study and counseling. I've known of people that have spent YEARS in our counseling programs working on overcoming problems. And I'm not talking about "small" issues. There are groups for those overcoming drug and alcohol and even sex addictions (for example). At the Kingdom hall these people would be disfellowshipped.
• 
  5

  DON'T LET THE WTBS STOP YOU!

  by JUSTAMOM in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  hello to all tonight.

  there are always such a variety of topics on exposing the society and showing all that they truly are not who they say they are!.

  one big one!.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  When she really realized that the Watchtower was saying that "God's Organization" not Jesus Christ was her mediator she was out! The Watchtower, by its statments, is attempting to place itself in the seat of God.

  I agree that this has lead many away from the real Gospel. For this the leaders of the WTBS will be called to account in Eternity.
• 
  15

  Give blood?

  by spike in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i had a conversation with my doctor.

  i decided to use blood.

  i wanted to know my blood type.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  I try to donate regularly. If you're going to use it, you should give it when possible.
• 
  31

  who is from Washington State besides

  by Helen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  myself, tr, and jeff?.

  btw i have met tr and he is a great person..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  I'm south of town, not to far from Remlinger's.
• 
  31

  who is from Washington State besides

  by Helen in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  myself, tr, and jeff?.

  btw i have met tr and he is a great person..

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  I'm in Carnation.
• 
  36

  Special Judicial Committees

  by JEMIMAH in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  you will have to understand that i have to change a few details here and there so that i can't be identified.. as many of you are aware i serve as an elder, and from time to time i have been asked by the service desk to handle matters for them by means of "the special committee arrangement".

  (a phrase you will not find in any wt letter or elders textbook.

  ) just to explain.. "a special committee is often set up when, an original committee (ojc)decides to disfellowship an individual, who then appeals against the judgement.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  Since 1989 I've attended a Christian church with 4,000 members. In that time there as been ONE (1) example of church discipline. This involved a man who was cheating on his wife with multiple partners and simply refused to stop. What was his discipline? Four thousand of us got on our knees (the only time I've seen this done) and prayed for him to see a need to repent. It was the last any of us ever heard of the matter. Either he repented and got counseling, or stopped going to church. Either way solved the matter and certainly none of were told to stop talking to the individual.

  I'm not saying no one in my church sins, that would be foolish. The difference is how we handle it. We have a large staff of trained counselors and some one who needs help is encouraged to get it. I know from personal experience that the counsel given is given in love and not harshness.

  What a difference.
• 
  10

  wrong date part 2

  by tattoogrl333 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  well i went for my study session today and showed her the encyclopedia articles i had printed up.

  she said she didn't know why the date was 586 and not 607, and asked if she could take them to show her husband.

  her husband is an elder so i'm not sure what his reaction was going to be.

  1. 
  2. 
  3. 
• 

  JeffT

  Nothing wrong with it, so long as you investigate what you're being told (which it sounds like you're doing a good job). If you want to to explore your religious side I'd suggest going to some other churches and see what they have to offer. I attend a large nondenominational Christian church (website www.occ.org if you want to take a look). That isn't for everyone. I know a number of ex-witnesses that go to unitarian universalist, you might also find a quaker service interesting.

  By all means be curious. Just don't make a final decision (and they will try to get you to make one) without all the facts.