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Scriptural rebuttal to disfellowshiping

by JG in

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i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.

the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.

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AGuest said:

As far as the writings go, however, I do know that the scriptures were inspired; that it, they were written when the writers were 'in the spirit'. However, the Gospels were NOT inspired, and thus are NOT scripture. Sorry, but that is true. The scriptures, dear one, are "Moses, the Prophets, Psalms" and the Revelation. If you would read Luke's entry to his accounts, you will see that he neither wrote BY inspiration or at the direction of the spirit, nor did he receive his information FROM the spirit. Rather, he wrote them after interviewing others who told him what they saw... and did this at the behest of Theophilus, a Roman ruler of Greek descent who wanted to discern what was occurring between the Jews and the Christians so as to know 'if these things were true'. I have not lied to you... but only told you what my Lord told ME... so that when I read it, I saw it was indeed true. Perhaps you will, too.

Let me get this straight (I'm trying to clarify a few of your statements):

You are saying that you do NOT believe that the 4 Gospels are Inspired by God, correct?

Also, you believe that only SOME of what Paul wrote was Inspired, correct? (By the way, how do you decide what to "Pick-And-Choose" as being Inspired or not?)

Let me ask a real big question, since you believe that only the writings of Moses, the Prophets, the Psalms, and Revelation were Inspired by God, and all the other writings in the Bible were written by MEN without Inspiration by God, how is it that you came to know about Jesus Christ (Yeshua Messiah)?

If you say that the 4 Gospels were NOT Inspired, how can you trust ANYTHING that Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John wrote about JESUS?

Also, how does the Lord talk to you?

Does He give you special information that no one else knows?

That's what it sounded like you were saying, but I just want to clarify.

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Scriptural rebuttal to disfellowshiping

by JG in

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i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.

the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.

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Here are the Scriptures that show that JESUS CHRIST picked Paul to be his Apostle, and Paul wrote and did what JESUS CHRIST told him to do.

Did Paul make mistakes in life, YES, everyone does. Before Jesus appeared to Paul, Paul was DEFINITELY making HUGE MISTAKES.

Did Paul become an APOSTATE and go against the Teachings of Christ, ABSOLUTELY NOT!

In everything Paul did, he lifted up JESUS CHRIST, not himself.

He proclaimed the TRUTH ABOUT CHRIST!

Acts 9:1: But Saul, still breathing threats and slaughter against the Disciples of the Lord, went to the High Priest,
Acts 9:2: and asked for letters from him to the synagogues of Damascus, that if he found any who were of the Way, whether men or women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem.
Acts 9:3: As he traveled, it happened that he got close to Damascus, and suddenly a light from the sky shone around him.
Acts 9:4: He fell on the Earth, and heard a voice saying to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute Me?"
Acts 9:5: He said, "Who are you, Lord?" The Lord said, "I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.
Acts 9:6: But rise up, and enter into the city, and you will be told what you must do."
Acts 9:7: The men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice, but seeing no one.
Acts 9:8: Saul arose from the ground, and when his eyes were opened, he saw no one. They led him by the hand, and brought him into Damascus.
Acts 9:9: He was without sight for three days, and neither ate nor drank.
Acts 9:10: Now there was a certain Disciple at Damascus named Ananias. The Lord said to him in a vision, "Ananias!" He said, "Behold, it's me, Lord."
Acts 9:11: The Lord said to him, "Arise, and go to the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas for one named Saul, a man of Tarsus. For behold, he is praying,
Acts 9:12: and in a vision he has seen a man named Ananias coming in, and laying his hands on him, that he might receive his sight."
Acts 9:13: But Ananias answered, "Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much evil he did to Your Saints at Jerusalem.
Acts 9:14: Here he has authority from the Chief Priests to bind all who call on Your Name."
Acts 9:15: But the Lord said to him, "Go your way, for he is my chosen vessel to bear My Name before the nations and kings, and the children of Israel.
Acts 9:16: For I will show him how many things he must suffer for My Name's sake."
Acts 9:17: Ananias departed, and entered into the house. Laying his hands on him, he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord, who appeared to you on the road by which you came, has sent me, that you may receive your sight, and be filled with the Holy Spirit."
Acts 9:18: Immediately something like scales fell from his eyes, and he received his sight. He arose and was baptized.
Acts 9:19: He took food and was strengthened. Saul stayed several days with the Disciples who were at Damascus.
Acts 9:20: Immediately in the synagogues he proclaimed the Christ, that he is the Son of God.
Acts 9:21: All who heard him were amazed, and said, "Isn't this he who in Jerusalem made havoc of those who called on this Name? And he had come here intending to bring them bound before the Chief Priests!"
Acts 9:22: But Saul increased more in strength, and confounded the Jews who lived at Damascus, proving that this is the Christ.

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Scriptural rebuttal to disfellowshiping

by JG in

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i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.

the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.

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JosephMalik said:

There is no such thing as A Holy Spirit that judges. In fact the scriptures even exclude the Father. But to phrase it as God? AND Christ AND the Holy Spirit makes 5 not three. The doctrine is a mess. Change it to Father and we have:
John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
However while humans like the apostle Paul cannot determine someones salvation as in the context of the above text they can judge others on matters of faith and have done so notice:
1 Corinthians 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
Paul could do this because he received corrospondence from them and could make such decisions. And when the Corinthians over reacted to his remarks he had to write them to correct them once again. So he was not always understood, but that does not make him wrong. And we also have:
1 Corinthians 7:40 But she is happier if she so abide, after my judgment: and I think also that I have the Spirit of God.
Joseph

You are very correct, it is the SON (Jesus Christ/Yeshua Messiah) ONLY who judges people's hearts.

I used the wrong word above. I meant to say that that only God (the Father), Christ, and the Holy Spirit (I'm still not convinced whether or not the Spirit is a Person in Heaven or not), can READ a person's heart and know what is in a person's heart, I should not have said "judge" above.

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The Watchtower Ain't Moses!

by metatron in

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the watchtower society has no right to claim the authority.

of moses for themselves.. how do i know?

the bible says so.. here's numbers 12:6-8:.

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Yeah, minimus, that's true, but MOSES had a ONE-WITNESS POLICY FOR RAPE! (Deuteronomy Chapter 22)

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NBC Contacts me again / JW Abuse Issues

by Amazing in

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the issue of child molestation among jehovah's witnesses is not going to go away ... no amount of the watchtower society trying to ignore it, or watching silly videos about the ancient jewish men, korah, dathan, and abiraham will change the hard fact that the watchtower bible & tract society and its associated organizations must and will be forced to change their policies on how they treat minor jehovah's witness children.

today, nbc once again contacted me for additional information and details to help them in their understanding and investigation of this serious issue.

i know of others being contacted throughout the united states ... many of whom will provide significant information and details that is going to make this issue come out into the light of day more and more ... .

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You're right.

Just think, there must have been A LOT of Catholic Reporters, and all the News Stations ran the Catholic Pedophile Stories.

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NBC Contacts me again / JW Abuse Issues

by Amazing in

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the issue of child molestation among jehovah's witnesses is not going to go away ... no amount of the watchtower society trying to ignore it, or watching silly videos about the ancient jewish men, korah, dathan, and abiraham will change the hard fact that the watchtower bible & tract society and its associated organizations must and will be forced to change their policies on how they treat minor jehovah's witness children.

today, nbc once again contacted me for additional information and details to help them in their understanding and investigation of this serious issue.

i know of others being contacted throughout the united states ... many of whom will provide significant information and details that is going to make this issue come out into the light of day more and more ... .

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It is "strange" how CBS holds off from the story. Might there be some CBS-WTS connections worth looking into and exposing?

Yes, it is strange. It is also strange why FOX doesn't seem to want to do a story about the silentlambs.

I have also heard people on this Board talk about AOL liking the Society.

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seeds of doubt, which to use

by johnathanseagull in

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gosh........well off to visit my jw mom and dad tomorrow haven't seen them in a while, i've never approached them on anything i've learned here over the past few months, whilst i don't intend to be like a bull in a china shop with them (they are elderly), if i raise a subject,......but would like to plant a very very small seed of doubt with them?

?, which subject........un, silent lambs, blood etc ideas on what might work best, how to say it etc.. ta in advance.

j gull.

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From personal experience, I would say, it is most definitely the Silent Lambs!

Here is a Link where you can see the Watchtower Society's Pedophile Policy: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36778&site=3

Here is a Link where you can see just about ALL of the Silent Lambs News Articles: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35836&site=3

Here is a Link where you can see ALL of the Quotes from J.R. Brown, the Watchtower Society's Main Spokesman, about their "Child Protection Policy": http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36289&site=3

But also, here are some Links to other VERY IMPORTANT and EYE-OPENING Subjects on the Watchtower Society:

The Governing Body said that Armageddon was coming in 1975: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36961&site=3

The Governing Body has said so many different and contradicting things about Blood Transfusions: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36891&site=3

The Governing Body once CONDEMNED AND FORBADE Organ Transplants and Vaccinations, but NOW ALLOWS THEM: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36663&site=3

Here is the Official Watchtower Society RAPE POLICY: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35408&site=3

Here is a List of some CONTRADICTIONS between what the Bible says and what the Governing Body says: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36418&site=3

Here is a List of QUOTES about Disfellowshipping and Shunning: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35751&site=3

The Governing Body CONDEMNED AND FORBADE Alternative Military/Civilian Service for 60 YEARS, but NOW IT IS A GOOD THING TO DO: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36520&site=3

The Governing Body says it is a GOOD THING TO LIE TO PROTECT THE ORGANIZATION: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35689&site=3

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R WT GOD'S channel of communication?

by badboy in

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wt april 15 2000. no man may see me and live' says god.. further since bible times there has been no evidence of any human having had direct communication with him.

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Ah, yes, below are Links to Threads I have made that show CLEARLY what kind of "TRUTHS" that THEIR "GOD" has been sending to the Governing Body:

The Governing Body's "god" told them that Armageddon was coming in 1975: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36961&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them all about Blood Transfusions: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36891&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them all about Organ Transplants and Vaccinations: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36663&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them how to handle Pedophiles: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36778&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" INSPIRED J.R. BROWN to say all the things he has said: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36289&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them how to handle Rape: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35408&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them all about the Bible: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36418&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them what they should do with sinners (Disfellowship and Shun them!): http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35751&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" told them about what to do with Alternative Military Civilian Service: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=36520&site=3

The Governing Body's "god" says it is a GOOD THING TO LIE: http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=35689&site=3

Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 20 September 2002 3:22:0

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Scriptural rebuttal to disfellowshiping

by JG in

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i was thinking that since most of you have experianced shunning due to disfelowshiping or disassociation, that you might have some ideas adn scriptures to show how df and da shunning is unscriptural.

the elders were gracious enough to provide my wife with a packet to show how df'ng is scriptural and gag loving.. sean.

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Good Post "AGuest", however, I disagree about Paul.

You are correct that we should follow Jesus Christ OVER ANYONE ELSE, including the Apostles.

I believe that Paul was talking about people who were unrepentant and were truly evil, those are the ones who will not inherit God's Kingdom, and yes, only God the Father and Christ Jesus and the Holy Spirit can ~~judge~~ KNOW a person's heart.

I also believe that Paul wrote what Christ inspired him to write.

Here are some Scriptures that you could use against Disfellowshipping (the way that the Society does Disfellowshipping):

Matthew 18:15: "If your brother sins against you, go, show him his fault between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained back your brother.
Matthew 18:16: But if he doesn't listen, take one or two more with you, that at the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Matthew 18:17: If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the congregation. If he refuses to hear the congregation also, let him be to you as a Gentile or a tax collector.

Now, let us see how Christ treated Tax Collectors and Gentiles (the Watchtower Society CLAIMS that Jehovah's Witnesses are supposed to be FOOTSTEP FOLLOWERS OF JESUS, and are supposed to IMITATE EVERYTHING HE DID):

Matthew 9:9: As Jesus passed by from there, he saw a man called Matthew sitting at the tax collection office. He said to him, "Follow Me." He got up and followed him.
Matthew 9:10: It happened as He sat in the house, behold, many tax collectors and sinners came and sat down with Jesus and His Disciples.
Matthew 9:11: When the Pharisees saw it, they said to His Disciples, "Why does your Teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?"
Matthew 9:12: When Jesus heard it, he said to them, "Those who are healthy have no need for a physician, but those who are sick do.
Matthew 9:13: But you go and learn what this means: 'I desire mercy, and not sacrifice,' for I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."

Matthew 21:31: Which of the two did the will of his father?" They said to him, "The first." Jesus said to them, "Most assuredly I tell you that the tax collectors and the prostitutes are entering into the Kingdom of God before you.
Matthew 21:32: For John came to you in the way of righteousness, and you didn't believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes believed him. When you saw it, you didn't even repent afterward, that you might believe him.

The following Scriptures SHOW A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE of Witnesses (the Pharisee) vs. "Worldly People" (the Tax Collector):

Luke 18:9: He spoke also this parable to certain people who were convinced of their own righteousness, and who despised all others.
Luk 18:10 "Two men went up into the Temple to pray; one was a Pharisee, and the other was a tax collector.
Luke 18:11: The Pharisee stood and prayed to himself like this: 'God, I thank you, that I am not like the rest of men, extortioners, unrighteous, adulterers, or even like this tax collector.
Luke 18:12: I fast twice a week. I give tithes of all that I get.'
Luke 18:13: But the tax collector, standing far away, wouldn't even lift up his eyes to Heaven, but beat his breast, saying, 'God, be merciful to me, a sinner!'
Luke 18:14: I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other; for everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, but he who humbles himself will be exalted."

Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 20 September 2002 22:55:53

Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 20 September 2002 22:56:22

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Superman's quote 'bout JW's

by orphanannie in

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&ncid=579&e=1&cid=638&u=/nm/20020917/en_nm/health_superman_dc

"there are religious groups -- the jehovah's witness, i believe -- who think it's a sin to have a blood transfusion.

well, what if the president for some reason decided to listen to them, instead of to the catholics, which is the group he really listens to in making his decisions about embryonic stem cell research?

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nakedmvistar, you are correct.

Here is a very good Link on this subject: http://www.christiananswers.net/life/home.html

Also, here are a few Scriptures (for the people who believe in God and Christ):

The Bible says that HUMAN LIFE begins at CONCEPTION, PERIOD:

Genesis 1:27: God created man in His own Image. In God's Image He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 25:21: Isaac entreated Yahweh for his wife, because she was barren. Yahweh was entreated by him, and Rebekah his wife conceived.
Genesis 25:22: The children struggled together within her. She said, "If it be so, why do I live?" She went to inquire of Yahweh.
Genesis 25:23: Yahweh said to her, Two nations are in your womb, Two peoples will be separated from your body. The one people will be stronger than the other people. The elder will serve the younger.
Genesis 25:24: When her days to be delivered were fulfilled, behold, there were twins in her womb.

Psalm 51:5: Behold, I was brought forth in wickedness. In sin my mother conceived me.

Psalm 139:13: For You formed my inmost being. You knit me together in my mother's womb.
Psalm 139:14: I will give thanks to You, For I am fearfully and wonderfully made. Your works are wonderful. My soul knows that very well.
Psalm 139:15: My frame wasn't hidden from You, When I was made in secret, Woven together in the depths of the Earth.
Psalm 139:16: Your eyes saw my body. In Your book they were all written, The days that were ordained for me, When as yet there were none of them.
Psalm 139:17: How precious to me are Your thoughts, God! How vast is the sum of them!

Jeremiah 1:4: Now the Word of Yahweh came to me, saying,
Jeremiah 1:5: Before I formed you in the belly I knew you, and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you; I have appointed you a Prophet to the nations.

Matthew 1:18: Now the birth of Jesus Christ was like this; for after His mother, Mary, was engaged to Joseph, before they came together, she was found pregnant by the Holy Spirit.

John 1:14: The Word became Flesh, and lived among us. We saw His Glory, such Glory as of the One and Only Son of the Father, full of grace and truth.

(MY COMMENT: Now when did Jesus Christ, the Word, leave Heaven and become Flesh?)

Exodus 20:13: "You shall not murder.