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  Important! WAVE THAT WATCHTOWER!

  by metatron in

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  get the november 1 watchtower "why should i apologize?

  " and wave it at the up coming march!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

  wave it in front of dateline cameras!

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  GREAT IDEA!!!

  Also, you could do the same with the previous Issue, which said on the Cover, "WHO IS BEHIND ALL THE EVIL?"
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  PANORAMA on Channel Nine this Sunday!!!!

  by ozziepost in

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  yes, that's right, tnow it's our turn to see panorama!!

  channel nine are showing an edited version of the panorama program this sunday, september 29th as part of the "sunday" program.

  don't miss it!!

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  Wow! That's Awesome!!!

  I hope Panorama (and Silent Witnesses) comes on the USA TV's someday.

  You are doing an outstanding job Ozzie!
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  My reply from the WTS, 1982

  by Marilyn in

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  dear mrs ####,, .

  your letter of december 6, 1982 has been received and we note the several questions questions you have asked at the conclusion.

  you state that you have carefully read the watchtower of september 15, 1981 on the subject of disfellowshipping and you have found nothing which seemed to proclude occasional association between you and your parents.

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  I guess if you get Disfellowshipped for exposing Pedophile Cover-Ups, you don't even get to see your grandchildren anymore (talking about Barbara & Joe Anderson).
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  My reply from the WTS, 1982

  by Marilyn in

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  dear mrs ####,, .

  your letter of december 6, 1982 has been received and we note the several questions questions you have asked at the conclusion.

  you state that you have carefully read the watchtower of september 15, 1981 on the subject of disfellowshipping and you have found nothing which seemed to proclude occasional association between you and your parents.

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  Only evil people could make Policies and Rules that PURPOSELY BREAK-UP AND RUIN FAMILIES!

  It is truly sad.
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  WORLDWIDE MASS CLASS ACTION SUITS AGAINST WTS

  by Dogpatch in

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  worldwide mass class action suits against wts - visit.

  a consortium of us attorneys will represent victims throughout the.

  united states and are now arranging for law firms in canada, europe etc.

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  CONCERNED LAWYER said:
  

  In my opinion, a class action for sexual abuse victims won't pass the certification process (the first step) because of the requirement of "commonality of injury", a very precise and stringent requirement that the injury sustained be nearly identical. My opinion is based upon 11 years of law practice in sexual abuse litigation. My partners in this joint venture agree with me. Between them, they have more than 200 years of law practice across the United States and Canada, INCLUDING Fen-Phen class action litigation.

  I'm curious, couldn't they file a Class Action Lawsuit for all of the Child Abuse Victims.

  Then, another Class Action Suit for all of the Blood Transfusion Victims.

  Then, another Class Action for Shunning/Disfellowshipping/Disassociation.

  And so on?
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  "Jehovah will sort it out"

  by Duncan in

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  "wait on jehovah.

  "jehovah will sort it out.

  how often have you heard that?

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  Jehovah's CHOSEN EARTHLY ORGANIZATION to "FIX" (bring down) the Watchtower Society is the silentlambs!
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  CO's and DO's meeting in the UK

  by Jim Dee in

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  at the risk of being called a "troll" again , i will share just one of the items discussed at the co's and do's emergency meeting.

  so as not to be doubted, this is to be covered at most/all of the co's and do's visits over the next 6 months in the uk.

  the society is concerned about the level of waste and expense caused by excess wt and awakes being ordered by the brothers and sisters which are then not put into the hands of the public.

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  I HOPE EVERYONE ORDERS WAAAAAYYYY MORE THAN THEY NEED!!!! HAHHAHAH
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  Urgent Assistance Required by Anyone, Ladylee?

  by Celtic in

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  hiya!!

  hope you all had a super marvellous weekend just gone, spent some of my time saturday and sunday, just floating quietly on my boat on the quiet and serenely beautiful waters of the helford river's creeks, stunningly beautiful it was, wow!!

  came into work this morning, monday, as bright as a button, though straightaway received some bad news about a young lady from a fellow co-worker enabler at self direction community project.

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  Last week, the JW parents of this young lady, burn't all of her baby and young childhood pictures right in front of her, telling her further that she was now considered completely cut off from her natural family. This obviously distruaght her very much, extremely distressed she was. So much so, that over the weekend, this individual tried to commit suicide by slashing her wrists. Found in time by her 'adoptive worldly mother', apparently she is ok, but obviously in need of a great deal of support and encouragement right now. This is where you come in.

  I cannot believe these INHUMAN CRUEL "PARENTS".

  They have obviously been BRAINWASHED BEYOND REPAIR by the Watchtower Society.

  I am so sorry about your situation.

  Here are a few Scriptures that I thought might help to show that God is nothing like the Watchtower Society:

  Matthew 5:43: "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall love your neighbor, and hate your enemy.'
  Matthew 5:44: But I tell you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who mistreat you and persecute you,
  Matthew 5:45: that you may be children of your Father who is in Heaven. For He makes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the just and the unjust.
  Matthew 5:46: For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
  Matthew 5:47: If you only greet your friends, what more do you do than others? Don't even the tax collectors do the same?
  Matthew 5:48: Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

  Does anyone see the Watchtower Society teaching this, or doing this?

  Matthew 22:36: "Teacher, which is the greatest Commandment in the Law?"
  Matthew 22:37: Jesus said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.'
  Matthew 22:38: This is the First and Great Commandment.
  Matthew 22:39: A second likewise is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself.'
  Matthew 22:40: The whole Law and the Prophets depend on these Two Commandments."

  Matthew 7:12: Therefore whatever you desire for men to do to you, you shall also do to them; for this is the Law and the Prophets.

  Would your "Parents" want you to treat them like they are treating you?

  You are VERY MUCH LOVED BY GOD and By all of us on this Board!

  Edited by - UnDisfellowshipped on 23 September 2002 17:57:13
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  Noah

  by qwerty in

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  this tickeled .

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  LOL
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  SilentLambs Television Program Transcripts

  by UnDisfellowshipped in

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  ms. erica garza speaking: i didn't know any better.

  mr. reuben garza (erica's father) speaking: no.

  john larson speaking: what did they say?.

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  Thanks for your Replies! I will comment on them soon.

  Below is another Television Program about the SILENTLAMBS:

  izobcenec posted this info on another Thread:

  This TV program was aired recently (September 3rd 2002) in Slovenia, Europe, on the biggest slovenian TV station, POP tv (www.pop-tv.si)

  About 250.000 people saw it. We translated the whole TV program. Video will be available soon. Enjoy!

  JEHOVAHS WITNESSES IN SLOVENIA TRANSCRIPT OF THE THE TV PROGRAM

  Otos parents joined the Jehovahs Witnesses when he was four years old. By reason of their religious rules he wasnt allowed to celebrate his birthdays, new year or any other, as they name them, pagan holidays. He was dissuaded from associating with worldly children, watching TV or films, which had no reference to the faith.

  OTO: As long as you are a Jehovahs Witness being with other people means nothing but talking about Gods Kingdom, about the wonderful news. Any other conversation is said to be throwing pearls to the swines.

  The only entertainment he could enjoy beside going to school was the regular Bible study, meetings (five hours a week) and the door-to-door service.

  OTO: I was always scared that some of my school-friends or teachers might answer the door. At school I was named a jehovist. I was stigmatized all the years of my school time..

  Marko was their member for some years, together with his wife and his children. He disassociated himself because he could not agree with the pressure which the elders put upon the education of his children. As he created a new life after leaving the organization, he asked us not to reveal his identity.

  MARKO: They dont baptize children and they pride themselves with that, but they are indoctrinated since their earliest age, before they are able to read and write. They have cassettes to watch and their parents must study with them, they should bring them to all meetings, even if they are only two or three years old.They must sit silently for two hours, if they are not quiet, they punish them physically. The physical punishment is one of the commands to the Jehovahs Witnesses.

  GRAPHICS FROM A JWS PUBLICATION: BUILD UP A HAPPY FAMILY LIFE, p. 133:

  Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die

  Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell (Prov. 23:13,14)

  That the Jehovahs Witnesses treat the children in an extremly unusual way became quite obvious in May this year, when it was discovered, that in the USA, where the Witnesses have their headquarters, there is a list of more than 23.000 pedophiles in their ranks. Most of them were never announced to the police.

  MARKO: There is a secret manual for elders where its clearly stated that such crimes should not be reported to the police.

  GRAPHICS: THE SECRET ELDERS MANUAL (PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELVES AND ALL THE FLOCK, 1982):

  If the elders are informed about an illegal activity or any other delict or wrongdoing committed by a member of the community, they will not, even if it is instructed by the laws of the Church, announce it to the authorities.

  OTO: The Society is a real paedophile paradise because their judicial committee needs two eyewitnesses, but in these cases usually there are no witnesses.

  GRAPHICS: THE SECRET ELDERS MANUAL (PAY ATTENTION TO YOURSELVES AND ALL THE FLOCK, 1982):

  What proving material is applicable?

  There must be at least two or three eyewitnesses, not only the persons who repeat what they heard. If there is just one eyewitness nothing can be done.

  Those victims who, although they were not allowed to, informed the police about the crimes, were later disfellowshipped. As we wished to get some further information about what is going on in this religious group we asked their spokesman, Mr Janko Novak for an interview. At first he was willing to permit the filming but when I let him know that their former members would also take part in this TV program, his answer was this:

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: I dont think we can make it. You can tell that we refused any cooperation.

  Later he accepted the interview but he didn't allow us any other filming or conversation with other believers, even with no camera. When I asked him about their secret manual for elders he first denied existence of such rules:

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: A far as I know it was never, never and nowhere written that we should not report such things to the police.

  THE REPORTER: Is this book yours? (she shows him the manual)

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Yes, it is. But these rules have been out of practice for many years. (he laughs nervously)

  THE REPORTER: But they were in practice then?

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: That was 20 years ago, I was too young then to know

  THE REPORTER: But you probably have never rules, can you show those, if it is not written anymore

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: I cannot show it you if it isnt written

  THE REPORTER: May I check it out?

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Yes, you can.

  THE REPORTER: Will you show me the new manual?

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Yes, I will, after the filming.

  But it all came to nothing. When the camera turned off, even after having been promised I couldnt see the new manual. At the police station they didnt know to answer my question if they had ever come upon a case of paedophilia. They say that the accused persons are never asked about their religion.

  Besides I was interested in some other commands. By reason of scriptural restrictions they reject the blood transfusions. What follows if an individual accepts blood if he is strictly forbidden to do it?

  JANKO NOVAK: You know what would happen? If an individual accepted the transfusion if he were forced to do it, he could fall in such a bad state that he should be helped. We had cases like that and the members told us, they felt like being raped.

  THE REPORTER: Would you have accepted the transfusion?

  OTO: Yes, I probably would. If I wouldnt Id probably be disfellowshipped.

  In the central hospital I was told that so far they havent had any problems with patients rejecting blood.The main reason is a low number of Witnesses (1850), so they havent had a case where they should deal with serious complications. Nevertheless there have been many death cases abroad, with many children among them.

  OTO: If a person refuses the transfusion and dies, then they write articles on him in their publications They make him a hero, they praise him almost like god.

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: I know none of such cases (that anybody died for rejecting blood)

  GRAPHICS: A JWS PUBLICATION: GOOD NEWS WHICH WILL MAKE YOU HAPPY, p. 178:

  It has already happened in rare cases however that the conscious objection prevented some people from accepting blood and they died therefore. As they respected Gods law faithfully they will be resurrected in Gods paradise.

  What makes a person to become a Jehovahs Witness and what is in fact going on within this group? I asked these questions some other former members, for example a woman who, as she says, wishes to forget her bitter life experience as soon as possible.

  THE WOMAN: I was going through a terrible life situation and that time I was glad to hear that something better was promised to us. The world with no pain and no suffering. At that time those words made me deeply relieved.

  Their system of collecting new members seems to be built up to detail. They write down quite everything about the people who let them enter their homes.

  THE WOMAN: They write down in fact anything they notice about the person they are talking to: how he reacted, what questions he asked, his interests, his education and what should be done that the preaching to him should be as much successful as possible.

  GRAPHICS: NOTES ABOUT INTERESTED PERSONS

  Soon she found out that things are not so wonderful as they had been promising to her. Any doubt was automatically suppressed.

  THE WOMAN: Spying on everybody is obligatory. Every member must report any wrongdoing which is comitted by some other believer. If he refuses to obey he risks disfelowshippment himself.

  MARKO: These things go so far that a husband is to denounce his wife and vice versa.

  Oto was betrayed by his then friends. He was disfellowshipped for being intimate with a girl who did not belong to their religion. The other two disassociated themselves.

  They all agree that the deepest pain was the absolute isolation which followed their leaving the group. The believers are commanded to avoid any contact with a former member.

  OTO: As a matter of fact theres no worst punishment from the threat that you would be disfellowshipped because you live in your own world and you know no other world except the world of Jehovahs Witnesses.

  OTO: Everybody shuns you, even the contacts with your own parents are limited, especially from the spiritual side, the others are avoiding you on the street, looking away.

  THE WOMAN: It happens very often that, if they don't live in the same household, the children shun their own parents, brothers, sisters grandparents are not allowed to see their grandchildren anymore. Such cases are very frequent.

  Mr. Novak denied everything that I had been told by the former members.

  JANKO NOVAK, JW SPOKESMAN: Its just calumny brought out by some individuals who left the ranks of Jehovahs Witnesses, I dont know for what reasons which may be best clear to themselves.

  The former members explained their reasons for leaving the group on the web sites. (www.izobceni.streznik.org, www.jehovovexprice.tk) They say that it is the only way to warn the present and the future members against the abuse they experienced themselves.

  OTO: Now I can see that I was manipulated and that everything was just a delusion.

  His only wish after his 20 years life among the Witnesses is trying to compensate the lost years of the childhood. At the age of 25 he celebrated his first birthday.

  END

  TV PROGRAM LEADER: Former and even current members are planing a protest march at the end of september. They wan't to warn about happenings in this society.

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  Translated by Ema

  Production: Izobceni streznik team (www.izobceni.streznik.org)

  Article about this TV program: http://24ur.com/naslovnica/preverjeno/20020903_2013700.php

  Commentary (in slovenian but with some interesting screenshoots of JW spokesman): http://users.volja.net/izobcenec/clanki/28.htm

  Izobceni streznik: www.izobceni.streznik.org ("the disfellowshiped server")

  Oto's web page: www.jehovovexprice.tk ("jehovahsXwitnesses")