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  ks10-e NEWS Additional LTR notation:...PLEASE READ!!!!

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  evidently the 'boys' haven't gotten all their ducks in a row before printing the book!.

  they have issued another boe ltr (will have late sunday or early monday) regarding wedding procedure and scriptural freedom to remarry!.

  the ltr is dated oct 12, 2010 (so if anybody has a copy already post it or send it to me and i will post it).

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  breathing

  ive read bit and the letter on the subject of can they SPIRAL BIND the copy had me in stitches!! they even include in the letter where this letter about permission to sprial binding and how to carry this out should be noted in the margin of the main book and of course SISTERS MUST NOT get within 100miles of this book to spiral bind it!! (ok so i exaggerated the 100 miles bit!!)!
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  ks10-e (official release), Letter from Bro. who scanned it! Newer version with BOE LTRs

  by yknot in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  while an earlier version was made available privately the time has come to 'progress'.. conscious class and ex both strongly adhere to not keeping things 'hidden' in regards to wts publications, talks and documents which are circulated in order to maintain it's position.. another wonderful poster (who has yet to give me permission to name) has 'reduced' and 'bookmarked' the first full copy link i was given by our 'winner'.. in this newest and final 'clean' copy link you find two other additions besides the reduction/bookmarking..... the brother who uploaded the entire book wishes all to have a copy that includes both boe ltrs (pre-ks ltr and spiral binding ltr).

  also another development has occurred.... the brother responsible for this book being brought into light and put forth for public consumption and discussion has requested i post this letter explaining to 'us' (jwn posters/global audience) and 'them' (wts of penn & ny).. i ask you give attention to his words/ experiences as he is representative of a newly emerging demographic within the conscious class.

  so without further ado i give you his link and the 'stage' if you will to 'brother johnson'....... [link removed - contact ynot for further info - lady lee].

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  breathing

  what an experience, i thought id stayed in too long, but i really do feel for those that are too many years into their life to make such changes, but i have to say that they can do so much good for youngsters still in, and they can dilute some of the poison and control as a trojan freedom virus!!, that we that have left cannot do now because jws would see us as fromthe devil,

  how would one download the kingdom ministry school text book that bro johnson spoke of? im in the uk, and is there a copy of the elders book that could be downloaded? cheers
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  Should/Can I turn them in?

  by AwSnap in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  what are my options?

  i have recently found out that someone close to me is receiving medicaid and in the process of getting food stamps.

  this is so unfair and annoying.

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  breathing

  i get rankled when i see jws being all happy with family and friends i no longer talk too, it really sucks, when i have felt so hurt and rejected by them,

  BUT dont be like them, and judge people like they do, you have left that religion behind, let them get on with it and put your energies into your own life, thats what i am trying to do, its hard it really is , but i think its the only way to go,
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  Did you ever do something for this religion that now makes you shudder ?

  by man in black in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  back in the early 80's right after i was married the main driving point i kept hearing at the meetings was "do more,,, pioneer ".. well being the young impressionable jw couple that we were, .

  my wife is a speech therapist, so working pt was no problem, but i ended up working construction, cleaning carpets, and shoveling snow at all hours with the brothers, and i worked like a d*** fool at all hours.. funny how there was so much support for me to work with the witnesses, but once the decision was made work could be very iffy at times.. and the main thing that just causes me to cringe now is how so many of the witnesses in charge of the congregation thought that we did not need insurance, my wife had a policy with her school district, but my son and i did not.

  granted medical expenses were not as bad then, but just the idea of thinking that we did not need it that god would watch over us just embarasses me to no end now.

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  breathing

  i ignored good friends when they were dissed

  i sat in on a public reproof and humiliation of some vulnerable soul that had "sinned"

  i let elders question me about such intimate matters and i even begged their forgiveness

  i cowtowed to those in "authority" in the jws for tooo long.

  i wasnt true to the soul in me that was full of love for life, real free life. I kept that part of me suffocated and voiceless and ashamed. also for tooo long.

  i let my best friend die by not knowing how to speak out and identify help anywhere safe, cos i was "obedient" and terrifed of the "keep it in the org" rule.

  i saw a close friend die through not having a transfusion, and i did nothing

  i knocked on door after closed fucking door when i knew noone was in, and most likely wouldnt be, what a way to spend my precious one life time!!!

  i have loads more.... im sure theres loads of us that do, but thats enough for one night,

  that was actually cathartic though uncomfortable, what a good idea of a thread,
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  December 2010 Awake Homosexuality

  by bottleofwater in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  anyone have a good read of the ypa article on homosexuality?.

  is it just me or is the doctrine becoming more lenient and less dogmatic?.

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  breathing

  you dont have to play by there rules any more! if you want to send a letter send it, but do it cos YOU want a clean break not because you feel compelled to confess and be honest with them for their sake,

  i faded and it has its downsides, but i didnt want to lose contact with my family, trouble is with fading, that people still try and get you to go back and you can never truly be honest with them which is annoying, in case they do then still diss you, and if you come out as gay then do you want to hide that part of your life for years to come?

  good luck
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  I don't believe my boyfriend is 100% committed to this religion. How to handle?

  by herlovelyworld in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  hi guys!

  im very new here and i need a little help.. im not a witness, but i know all of the quirks and rules and whatnot because my long-distance boyfriend is a witness.

  the issue, other than the obvious, is that i fell in love with him before he told me he was one of jehovahs witnesses.

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  breathing

  i had a relationship with a non jw when i wasstill a jw, i didnt have the strenghth to leave it then, the fear won out and they kept control of me for a few years longer,

  but i left eventually,

  not every ones story is the same,

  i would say its important WHY people leave, ie if they leave cos they cant live up to it but still believe it, then i think they are still basically under the thumb of it,

  i left cos i lost my faith in it, and so will just never go back, the myth has been exposed, and however much i miss the security of it and the "community" i have seen through the myth of it all, and cant recreate it again or pretend its real,

  does your boyfirend still believe it ? if so then run, cos it will have control over his darkest fears much more than you will.

  if he no longer believes it as a truth then there may be some hope he will free himself,
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  Summer Assembly and Botox

  by GrandmaJones in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  another no-no from the wt.

  this was obviously some sort of manuscript talk, i was there and heard it at the st. louis assembly and asked around, and i know it was at other district conventions.

  what business is this for the fds to be in, not a scriptual affair at all.

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  breathing

  ha ha ha!! love the humour - although its brought a bloody kingdom song into my head whirling around now!!! "lord here i am, send me send me" THANKS for that!!! NOT!
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  Witness Funeral--to go ot not to go?

  by ValiantBoy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my 78 year old great-uncle is very ill and is expected to pass away within the next couple of days.

  he has been being receiving chemo for a few weeks (which he appeared to be responding to), but then he developed severe pneumonia and then had a massive heart attack a few days ago.

  he now has a blood infection, and his liver and kidneys have quit functioning.

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  breathing

  oh and if you do decide togo,

  go with your held held high,

  look them in the eyes,

  and bePROUD of who you are

  and think of all us lot here supporting you

  and have fire in your belly!!!

  (some of my anger at them coming out there!!!)
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  Some Confusion - What is this site in regards to JW?

  by Green Jade in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i seem to have a bit of confusion concerning the purpose of this website and the people in it.

  perhaps i am not computer savvy and do not understand some of the expressions used.

  could someone comment and help clarify.. .

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  breathing

  think nathan natas was just being funny, made me lol anyway! dont think he was being mean,

  it just made me think of my avatar and how "weird" it still is!! but im ok with that, makes me giggle! i dont know how to change it either but have am learning to live with it!!!!

  hope you find this site interesting and maybe helpful, i am
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  Consequences of speaking out

  by Nickolas in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i've been married to the same wonderful woman for 37 years.

  she's been a jehovah's witness for 33 of those years, i am not.

  i studied with the wbts for a couple of years beginning late 1974 before deciding it wasn't for me.

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  breathing

  i would do it subtly and quietly and gently, if at all, cos they would see spiritually endangering her and them as a fate worse than sitting round a table with you after you had beaten your wife black and blue or cheated on her with 100 women or (men!),

  subtle subtle subtle, play them at their own game, and Dont mention the word Cult - they will see you as dangerous as soon as you do,

  just ask "sincere" questions "but i dont understand .........." they will love that, they will think they are helping you but in fact you will be getting a legitimate opening to bring up "apostate" ideas" to them!!

  god ive just realised how devious that sounds - that says it all about me being brought up as a very righteious jw!

  of course then they will keep on preaching to you, so it might be best for you to just say you dont want to discuss religion at all,

  up to you, if you want to rock the boat or not - just think about the consequences of your speaking out, and if you are ready for them,