Posts by notverylikely

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GIVE us back our ELEVEN DAYS! Go to bed on Friday and wake up on Friday the NEXT DAY?

by Terry in

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imagine having just paid your rent.

you have a whole month until you have to pay again.

you go to bed secure in that knowledge.. when you wake up the next morning you discover 11 days have been removed from the calendar and your rent will be due again only 20 days!.

notverylikely

NOBODY THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA to preserve the ORIGINALS to prevent fraudulent changes!

Terry, even the Jews did not preserve their own originals. That's nothing new. Remember the book of the law that was lost and found hundreds of years later?

It IS hilarious that so many people call the bible the perfectly preserved inspired word of god until you ask..."well, which version?"

The JW's, in particular, who are so fond of "pure" worship, get their bible from the catholics (even though they did their own translation, they use the same books and manuscripts), their math from egyptian pyramids, the calendar they use to calculate those dates from the romans and the catholics and their science from whoever's quote they can twist to support their ideas.

Laughable, really.

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~~ from the "other JWN" : You Are Defective

by chickpea in

the tripe factory is in full production.

http://jehovahs-witness-news.blogspot.com/2010/03/manufactures-alert.html.

the maker of all human beings (jehovah god) is recalling all units manufactured, regardless of make or year, due to a serious defect in the primary and central component of the heart.

notverylikely

Pentium 486

Dude, really?

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HOW do you know what you KNOW you know?

by Terry in

remember how certain you were as a jehovah's witness?.

you just knew what you knew was right 100%.

you staked your life on it, didn't you?.

notverylikely

It's not that hard.....

Some people like to be told what to think, some like to look for themselves.

Some people try to use science/math/research/the bible to prove they are right, some like to use those things to find out what is right.

Some people need to feel god, some people don't want to. Some people can't.

Some people are slaves to their emotions, others are in control of their emotions.

etc. etc....

There is no one right answer for everyone.

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How many times have the Watchtower change the meaning of the generation?

by asilentone in

notverylikely

Since the number 7 denotes perfection, one more try, and they should get it right!

So by the end of the year?

/that made me laugh, snowbird

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The Memorial, what is wrong with it.

by PSacramento in

ok, my issue with the memorial i have put forth in another thread, but allow me to past them here:.

the memorial enfoces on them the power of the gb and of the "annointed" class, it is the total opposite of grace.. where god's grace is given free to all, the memorial is withedl from the majority.. god's grace tells us that no matter what we do, god loves us and if we belive, our salvation is in christ's hands.. the memorial is about the opposite, no matter what you have done, you are not worthy to partake on what was free given to all.. only the annointed can partake, the rest are not deserving.. if that is not a slap in the face of god's gift of grace, i don't know what is.. there they sit, all the "un-annointed", their heads hanging low, nomatter how many hourse they put in, how many loved ones they shunned, how many they have lost to the horrifc "no blood policy", they are not deserving to share in what jesus told all his believers to do.. the last supper was our lord's gift to us so that anytime we do it, we remember him.. when we say grace before our meal and we thank jesus for all his has done, for his sacrifice, we are partaking of his blood and body.. but even here the wt ignores jesus's commands and relegates him to the back with the rest.. horrific....

notverylikely

PSacramento, the whole Judas partaking and leaving is one of the questions I think should be put to Witnesses when they claim Judas left before the meal. It's straight out of the bible and not from the evil apostate internets.

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The Pagan Christ

by poopsiecakes in

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has anyone read this book?

i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.

the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.

notverylikely

No problem with you rejecting me. Now how about responding sensibly to the academic research I posted, if you are serious about this subject.

I wasn't in your other thread. Post in this thread without being jerky and I will be happy to do so.

The source didn't say that El pre-dates Yahweh. The source says that he is thought to correspond to Yahweh. But men were calling on God even before the account of Noah. Therefore, God, the creator of the universe, would predate any Caananite tribes or form of worship... no matter what name is applied to him. If this were not true, then who spoke to Noah, who pre-dates the Caananite tribes? (Encyclopedia Mythica also concurs that the Cannanites descended from one of Noah's sons)

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_%28deity%29

According to The Oxford Companion To World Mythology (David Leeming, Oxford University Press, 2005, page 118), "It seems almost certain that the God of the Jews evolved gradually from the Canaanite El, who was in all likelihood the 'God of Abraham'...If El was the high god of Abraham - Elohim, the prototype of Yahveh - Asherah was his wife, and there are archeological indications that she was perceived as such before she was in effect 'divorced' in the context of emerging Judaism of the seventh century B.C.E. (See 2 Kings 23:15)"

Moving on...

But even if there are any similarities, it stands to reason that the Caananite tribes would have been taking from the knowledge that had come from Noah's time and earlier since they are Noah's descendants.

That's presuming the bible is accurate in that info. DNA, geological, archealogical info all suggested the Noah narrative in the bible is NOT true. I will not quote your later comments for brevity, but you comments on Jesus being in spirit with god, etc., all convery a presumption of truth in the bible. This is what I mean when I say YOU have prove the bible is true, you are using them as the underpinnings of all of your assumptions. In a debate, you have to agree what both sides will presume are true.

This moves the debate back to the bible, effectively. To continue, we not have to debate the veracity it to move forward.

But this in no way conflicts with a existence of a Creator. How could we possibly prove without any doubt how much time passed from when the planet was formed to when man first walked upon it?

Various methods of dating, mitochondrial DNA, various fossils. There is no way to know exactly years, but we can measure in thousands, millions, billions.

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The Pagan Christ

by poopsiecakes in

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has anyone read this book?

i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.

the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.

notverylikely

I have no dispute with the claim that Yahweh is El. Yahweh is just the name that was given to Moses, according to the bible, and depending on who you believe wrote the first few books of the bible. But Yahweh didn't come into existence at the point where he gave a name to Moses.

El is a Caananite god that pre-dates Yahweh in both the written and archealogical record. El's is also Baal's father. Therefore, according to your source and your agreement that El is Yahweh, Jesus is Baal's little brother. Jesus has some things similar to Baal (you DID say we should look for similarities in things) and some things different, just like any family.

-I'm taking the information on Noah from the bible. Noah. Flood. Three sons - Ham, Shem and Japheth... and from Ham came Canaan and the caananite clans. Genesis Chapter 10. If there are archaeological things contradicting this, then I don't know them, but I will research it.

The achealogical record does contradict the flood and young eath ideas completely. Wikipedia is a good place to start.

I am enjoying the additional things I am learning that shed some understanding on the old ways of many Israelites... though as I said it is just an interest of mine and not more important than following Christ.

Cool, I am glad you are enjoying you. You have also challeneged me. I DID learn a lot about Mithra that I had only casually read and just in the past day or so found out were untrue.

So, as for the OT stuff, in the Christianity tradition, you can't get to Jesus without starting at Yahweh. If Yahweh was an older Caananite god, then Jesus is the interpolation of a bunch of older Caananite traditions.

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The Pagan Christ

by poopsiecakes in

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friends

has anyone read this book?

i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.

the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.

notverylikely

Sorry... where does it say that Yahweh is the son of El? I don't see that.

It says Yahweh IS El.

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The Pagan Christ

by poopsiecakes in

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friends

has anyone read this book?

i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.

the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.

notverylikely

I don't think it matters which is used to prove that Jesus existed.

So now you ARE trying to prove Jesus existed? Earlier you said you were not.

Finding similarities in different accounts helps.

Much like finding similarities in Egyptian, Babylonian, Persian, Caananite, Jewish and Christian myths and archeology?

But I am not an expert on this topic, nor did I claim to be. I don't know enough about it to speak with any kind of authority, so I would prefer not to debate this until I have studied these matters.

But you claim these books prove Jesus exists (or are you NOT claiming that?). How can you claim they prove something and then claim to not know these source? Of course, if you are not claiming that and we are using Jesus in the mythical tradition, then it doesn't matter.

BTW, can you address my question regarding your comment on Noah?

You're deliberately misusing my words, and you know it. This is what I said : There is no contradiction here at all. All that is needed to be saved is faith. But faith should inspire one to works, and if one's faith does not inspire one to works of love, then one should reconsider the sincerity of one's faith.

You said all one needed was faith and faith SHOULD inspire one to works. The bible clearly says faith without works IS DEAD. That contradicts what you wrote. How am I misusing that? I didn't write that bit about faith, you did. I just responded to it with what the bible said. It'snot my fault if you wrote something that disagrees with the bible.

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The Pagan Christ

by poopsiecakes in

jw
friends

has anyone read this book?

i haven't, but i just watched a documentary on it.

the author's premise is that the idea of jesus as a god coming to earth came out of egyptian mythology and that there is no real archeological evidence that jesus actually existed.

notverylikely

All that is needed to be saved is faith.

The bible clearly says that faith without works is dead. Why don't you beleive the bible?

I just wonder why you highlighted it with the rest. And yes, I do in fact see the similarities. But the Caananites came from Noah's son.

Are you telling me that the Caananites came from Noah's son after the flood? If so, you will need to prove this as it deviates from standard accepted archeology. Yahweh came from El according to your source, so your unbiased source would seem to disagree with this.

Which, to me, emphasizes that these religions stole from the worship of Yahweh, hence the similarities in pagan rituals.

Your unbiased sources says that Yahweh came after these other religions.

Also, all of these death/resurrection/life-giving rains, etc, had to do with agriculture and fertility. Jesus used these parallels(as the people understood) but spoke of giving life to men; not crops and such.

Actually, Jesus said most people wouldn't understand these parables/parallels according to the Gospels. It would seem, however, that Jesus, as Baal's little brother, used the earlier ideas and adapted them. And fertility definitely has something to do with a virgin birth. Mary was so fertile she didn't even need a man.