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  What are some books to read

  by lilacia in

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  i apologize because i know there must be information on the board in a thread somewhere, but i read.

  in another post about a book called the crisis of conscience that was a suggested read.

  any other suggestions?

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  Joyzabel

  Here are the books I read while existing the WT. Help me get things in perspectice.

  Recommended reading:

  Crisis of Conscience Ray Franz

  In Search of Christian Freedom Ray Franz

  Gentile Times Revisited Carl Olof Jonnson

  Living in the Last Days? Carl Olof Jonnson

  Apocalypse Delayed James Penton

  A Road Less Traveled M. Scott Peck, M.D.

  Further Along A Road Less Traveled M. Scott Peck, M.D.

  People of the Lie M. Scott Peck. M. D.

  Combating Mind Control Steve Hassen

  True Believer Eric Hoffer

  The Myth of Certainty Daniel Taylor

  The History of God Karen Armstrong (all of her books are good)

  Fictional Books

  The Red Tent

  The Celestine Prophecy

  Illusions

  Have fun!

  Joy

  another place to order some is www.commentarypress.com

  or there is a banner up above that you can click on and find another place to order them

  PS Welcome to the board.
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  Hi Im new here!

  by New Castles in

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  2. experiences

  im new to the website and farely new to the idea of leaving the jw's.

  for a long time i've had doubts, questions that dont have an answer.

  i was an ms and reg pioneer for about 5 years.

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  Joyzabel

  Welcome to the rabbit hole!

  I'm glad you are sharing what you've learned with your wife. Very important.

  I suggest you get "Crisis of Conscience" and share that with her too.

  Do what is best for you and your family in leaving. Only you know the situation.

  Joy
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  Moscow court rules against Jehovah's Witnesses

  by izobcenec in

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  moscow court rules against freedom of worship;.

  ban of jehovah's witnesses in city to be decided on appeal

  moscow?judge vera k. dubinskaya of the golovinsky intermunicipal district court of the northern administrative circuit of the city of moscow ruled today to liquidate the moscow community of jehovah's witnesses and to impose a ban on their activity.

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  Joyzabel

  Thank you for posting this Izobec.

  I have a russian friend staying with me right now (xjw) and he says unfortunately it will only fortify the JWs in Russia.

  Joy
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  Finding serenity after leaving the JWs

  by NaruNaruChan in

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  2. experiences

  tonight was such an interesting and profound night for me.

  i went to class... well, specifically a class that i enjoy a great deal... with a professor who has inspired me since i began college...

  so i'm sitting there, listening to him lecture, watching him walk back and forth across the stage with this huge projection of the u.s. territories in the background... and for the first time in what seems like ages, my soul spoke to me.

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  Joyzabel

  and I suddenly realized that really, I'd lost nothing... I'd only found myself

  amen.

  Thank you for sharing that with us. I'm sure it will inspire others to keep on being and find themselves.

  Joy
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  Did you ever go back to the Kingdom Hall ..

  by acsot in

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  faking interest so as to gather material for a research paper?

  i'm in the position now of pretty well being able to plan exactly how i leave for good.

  i'll be moving to a foreign language congregation at some point in the near future, then after awhile i'll be "selling my house" and "moving" far out of the territory i'm in now.

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  Joyzabel

  Ascot,

  sounds like a wonderful plan.

  I always thought the JWs would be an interesting cult group to study. Getting the buzz words and documenting the phrases that keep their brains shut down is a great way of explaining to others how easy someone can get involved and trapped in a "high control group".

  Have fun and let us know if you ever publish your studies.

  hehe and be sure to take some coloring books while you underline "important" phrases, in case you get bored.

  Joy
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  Am I being walked all over?

  by roybatty in

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  2. friends

  since being da'd a few years back i haven't had any real contact with my jw family.

  i've accepted this and moved on, just like most of us have.

  just recently i've been contacted by them whenever they need something.

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  Joyzabel

  I think you are doing the right thing.

  Will your family recognize it? Probably not. Yes, they maybe and more than likely are using you. But you, being the better man here, can hold your head up high and know that you are showing unconditional love. They are not.

  Sorry to be so pessimistic about cracking their JW shell, but hooray if you do.

  Joy
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  PLEASE HELP! Assist in 1914 Rebuttal...

  by Jared in

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  2. bible

  ok, so i'm trying to just plant a tiny seed of doubt somewhere in the cracks of my mothers mind, but that woman has 'jehovah' tattooed on her chest!

  anyway, i would not only like help for her benefit but also for my benefit.

  so it all started when i questioned her about 1914.... i wrote to her: 'as you had suggested i wanted to do some research.

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  Joyzabel

  First of all welcome to the board, Jared.

  Second, here are some quotes you need to be aware of:

  "when historians and Biblical history pinpoint Cyrus' destruction of Babylon" ....What historians and what source? Obtain a copy of "Gentile Times Reconsidered" by Carl Olof Jonnson and you'll get plenty of documented proof of when Cyrus destroyed Babylon. Not a made up date from the WT that NO ONE else agrees with.

  "You can find info on pivotal dates.......SI or Insight" hmmmmm, using their own material to prove a point is silly. But that is what she has be taught by the WT.

  If you don't have either "Gentile Times Reconsidered" or "Crisis of Concience" I highly recommend you get them and start your own research and not rely on others. www.commentarypress is where you can obtain these publications. Or click on the banner on top of this DB, it is a source to get those books.

  Have fun and good luck. We all here have been trying to crack whatever shells we can with our loved ones.

  Oh and another good book is by James Penton "Apocalyspe Delayed"

  Joy
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  How Do I Help?

  by desib77 in

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  i have a friend who had her mother pass away this week.

  the horrible thing is that her father passed away a couple weeks prior to her mother and her aunt also passed away last month.

  i feel horrible for her.

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  Joyzabel

  Just be there for her.

  She may want to cry, talk about her family, talk about what she is going through and that's ok. You don't need to possess any wisdom just empathy, which you've already shown, and the willingness to be there with her. Listen. Or do simple things, dishes, vacuum, groceries. But just being there is what she needs. She'll know you care.

  Hugs to you for being sympathetic,

  Joy
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  Greetings from Singapore

  by mustang in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  on vacation!!!

  jw's are outlawed here!!!!

  i'll talk about that later.

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  Joyzabel

  *waving @ 'stang

  hope you are having fun there.

  Please elaborate more on this statement when you can. "JW's are OUTLAWED here!!!! "

  Joy
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  I am marrying a df JW-

  by wtphobic in

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  2. friends

  i will be marrying a df jw in just 2 months.

  it is now really bothering him that his parents won't come to the wedding.

  omg- not only is he df, but it's being held in a church!!!

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  Joyzabel

  welcome to the board, wtphobic.

  and congrats on your wedding!

  First of all, have him read this board! Lots of info on it.

  Leaving a religion, especially a high control group, one has to go through the grieving process. There are many good threads here on dealing with that grief. Show him the "experiences" and see if he relates to any of them.

  Also, buy "Crisis of Conscience" for him by Raymond Franz (www.commentarypress.com) It will help him deal with the WT and how it is a "publishing company"!

  Hope you can get him to start healing.

  Hugs,

  Joy