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  Witness Funeral--to go ot not to go?

  by ValiantBoy in

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  my 78 year old great-uncle is very ill and is expected to pass away within the next couple of days.

  he has been being receiving chemo for a few weeks (which he appeared to be responding to), but then he developed severe pneumonia and then had a massive heart attack a few days ago.

  he now has a blood infection, and his liver and kidneys have quit functioning.

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  ambersun

  Yes, I know what you mean. I dread JW funerals too, but go out of respect for the person who has passed away, especially if they were a close family member. Unfortunately it involves gritting your teeth and sitting through the lecture from the platform. It seems the primary theme of any JW funeral is to ensure the captive audience have an earful of WT doctrines and to try and shame the ex JWs into returning to the clutches of the Borg.

  The life and times of the deceased comes waaaay down the list of priorities and must be fitted into a set outline issued by the Society. At the last funeral we attended, nothing was said about our deceased relative's life other than how much of her time she gave to knocking doors, attending meetings and assemblies, bringing bible studies into the 'Truth' etc. Her personal life experiences and achievements were barely touched upon!! Nobody would have known what she was like as an individual.

  Just try and switch your mind off from the drivel coming from the platform and think about your loved ones, which is the reason you are there. Your support will be very much appreciated by the people who matter, I am sure.
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  I Should Have Known Better Simply From.....

  by OnTheWayOut in

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  ambersun

  A question for anyone who was a convert and not born in, did you ever have a moment where you learned something new or had an experience that made you think "um, is this such a good idea?"

  Yes Mickey! The very first meeting I ever attended I was told to shun a girl not much older than myself (in her mid teens) who was struggling at the back of the KH with a tiny baby and getting no help from anyone. The man who ordered me to shun her was her own father. I found the experience very upsetting as my natural instinct was to offer friendship and assistance to the poor girl. Her crime was, of course, to have a child out of wedlock. Even her own mother was ignoring her and the baby - her own granddaughter - throughout the two hours of the meeting. Unbelievably heartless and shocking!!!

  Although I was conditioned (for a while) to accept shunning as Jehovah's way of keeping the congregation clean, I never really got over that first introduction to the cruel and humiliating rule which I am sure helped prevent me from being totally brainwashed.
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  Video - Jehovah's Witnesses - The Superficial Truth

  by sabastious in

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  my third video:.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfx1s37tyve.

  -sab.

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  ambersun

  Thank you Sab. I was most impressed with your video and found myself nodding in agreement with all the points you made. Well done!!!
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  Those Awkward Moments

  by JustKeepLiving in

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  okay, here's the story.

  i have very recently been declared da'd publicly.

  we all know what that means.

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  ambersun

  Good for you, ssn587! I would love to have been there and watched you in action lol. I wonder how that JW felt in retrospect after the event. The incident must have unsettled him, being shown up for being an ignorant a**hole in front of so many people, just for obeying WT rules. You were polite and courteous yet managed to get your point across regarding how two faced the religion is. With a bit of luck it will jolt that JW into thinking for himself and realising how ridiculous this shunning rule is. I hope more ex JWs follow your example. Well done !!
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  Those Awkward Moments

  by JustKeepLiving in

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  okay, here's the story.

  i have very recently been declared da'd publicly.

  we all know what that means.

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  ambersun

  The shunning policy is ridiculously cruel and inhumane.

  Absolutely! I have always felt shunning was utterly wrong even as a Dub.

  Me and Hubby have been DA'd over 20 years but we talk to any JW we happen to bump into and so far nobody has outright shunned us to our faces.

  You jolly well hold your head up high. You are not a second class citizen and have nothing to feel ashamed about. You have a perfect right to speak to anyone you meet. Even if a JW tries to publicly shun you, do what other posters have said, give them a smile and say Hi, how are you? If they refuse to acknowledge you, they will be the ones to look rude, ignorant and stupid to any onlookers, while you will have nothing to reproach yourself about. How could anyone condemn you for being friendly?!

  Anyway, I sincerely hope you won't have to deal with too many shunners.

  Take care
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  MYOB!!!

  by VampireDCLXV in

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  for those that don't know, it means mind your own business.

  i often wonder if the borg have any clue as to what that really means.

  it's bad enough that they stick thier noses into your personal beliefs, but it's even worse when they nose into your personal business that has nothing to do with belief.. case in point: my mother would get into my face anytime she found out about any run-ins i had with traffic cops, be it speeding, using a radar detector, fender benders, etc.

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  ambersun

  I feel it's none of her business.

  Yes, you are right. What our adult children get up to is none of our business and they are responsible for their own actions, but this in itself doesn't stop us Moms worrying!! It is only natural to interfere if we know something is wrong, especially if we feel our kids are doing something that could put them in danger like driving recklessly.

  I'm sure it relates to her thorough indoctrination with Borg teachings.

  Yes, we know the Borg indoctrinates the parents into believing it is their right to control their childrens' lives so that they don't do anything that will bring the precious Organisation into disregard. Maybe your Mom is worried about appearances in the Congregation, but regardless of that I still think she is just behaving like any normal caring Mom, regardless of religion.

  We Moms can be irritating, interfering, nosey old bats sometimes, but it's only because we love you

  However, I could fill a book with stories of control within the Congregation when I was growing up in the '60s. As the daughter of an Elder my life was everybody's business! Even my Mom's Bible Study seemed to think she had the right to dictate to me who my friends should be. Believe me, it was a nightmare!!
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  do you think Jehovah, personifies love.

  by booby in

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  the watchtower ?

  december 1, 2010 page 5,6 says:.

  the ultimate personification of evil, satan stands in bitter opposition to jehovah, who personifies love.. .

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  ambersun

  I could never believe in or worship a god (Jehovah) who was way way more cruel and unloving than I a mere human could ever think of being.

  Hopscotch, that's exactly how I feel!

  God of love? The God the bible speaks about even allowed his own son to be tortured and killed. Who could watch such a thing happen, especially if they had the means to stop it at any given time! I doubt there is anyone on this board who would be able to do that - and in the name of love? I've never been able to get my head round that.

  I was taught the God of the Old Testament and New Testament are one and the same. Therefore, to think such a God (and Creator of us all) could force some of his children to brutally murder the others, ripping open the stomachs of pregnant women, bashing babies' brains out against stones and raping young girls that had just watched their parents being horrifically killed, all the while threatening the 'chosen' children with death themselves if they did not carry out his sadistic instructions to the letter, then I feel much happier and safer being an athiest!

  The bible revealed 'almighty god' is the personification of a cruel despot. If we treated our children like he treats his children we would be locked up and never paroled.

  I think this comment sums it all up perfectly!
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  What proves that Jehovah's Witnesses are the wrong religion?

  by asilentone in

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  ambersun

  When a religion consistantly considers it's own teachings and literature from 30 years ago to be incorrect and apostate, and yet the source they claim to rely on - the bible - hasn't changed, then we can make a fair guess that whatever they are teaching NOW will be considred incorrect and apostate 30 years from now.

  Great point! I can remember back in the 1960s we were told to get rid of all literature written by Russell and Rutherford as many of the old teachings were incorrect and misleading and we now had 'New Light'. Well, guess what, much of the 'New Light' we were taught back in the '60s, and even as recent as the '90s, is now - wait for it - incorrect and misleading as we now have 'New Light'. Anyone holding on to the old teachings being branded apostates.

  I wonder what the 'New Light' will be in 2030 when the brothers are told to disregard many of this decade's teachings for being incorrect and apostate
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  JW's don't go church... they go to the Kingdom hall

  by loosie in

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  do you remember correcting everyone who would ask you where you go to church.

  the jw reply was usually something like....we don't go to a church we go a kingdom hall.

  jw's just have to be different you know.. yesterday i went to my citys museum.

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  church (chûrch)

  n. 1. A building for public, especially Christian worship. 2. often Church a. The company of all Christians regarded as a spiritual body. b. A specified Christian denomination: the Presbyterian Church. c. A congregation What is it about the word 'church' that is unacceptable to the WTS? It is a non denominational term and used to describe a gathering of Christian people for worship, which is what JWs are supposed to be, so why do they get so uptight about the public referring to Kingdom Halls as churches as if it is something offensive?
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  Why Did Jesus Suffer?

  by leavingwt in

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  if i want to forgive someone, it's not necessary for me to punish anyone.

  it makes absolutely no sense to me, why an almighty, loving god would punish his son, for an offense that someone else committed.

  here is what some others to have to say on the topic.

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  ambersun

  If I want to forgive someone, it's not necessary for me to punish anyone. It makes absolutely no sense to me, why an Almighty, loving God would punish his Son, for an offense that someone else committed

  I couldn't agree more, leavingwt. Believers can quote scriptures and provide explanations till the cows come home but I will never be able to accept why all that unimaginable suffering and eventual death of an innocent man needed to take place. Sorry, but that's how I feel.