Na, I don't get the Sci-Fi channel.......here I was all eager last night at 9:00 o'clock and I turn on the Space Channel......and then realize that's not the same as the Sci-Fi channel............
Posts by Mary
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11Is anyone watching "TAKEN"?
by Nathan Natas inthe scifi (science fiction) channel here in the usa is running steven spielberg's mini-maxi-series (2 hours per night for 10 nights!
i watched the first episode last night - it was much better than i expected it to be - it's got hooks!.
often i find myself disappointed with scifi channel series, but not this time.. "science fiction, double feature...".
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I decorated the hall last night
by JH in.
the overseer gave me a hand to decorate the hall last night edited by - jh on 5 december 2002 8:34:30.
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Mary
Rockin' around, the Kingdom Hall
Have a happy Service meet;
Everyone talking spiritually
In the Dubs old fashion waaaaaaaaaaaaay!!!
Edited by - Mary on 3 December 2002 11:2:35
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Mary
I have absolutely no doubt The End will come the day after I win the lottery.......
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Hygiene implications of baptism
by hippikon inhow many people got sick after they were baptized.
englishmans post reminded me of my experience.
i was about the 20th person to go through the little pool not much bigger than a bath tub.
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Mary
Instead of using a pool, they should just line up all the baptismal candidates and just hose em all down...........Geeze......I shouldn't have to think of EVERYTHING!!!
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Any university students?
by happysunshine inany college/university students here?
where do you go, what are you taking, and hows your experience so far?
don't be shy!
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Mary
Yep, me..........I go part time and am half way through getting my bachelor's degree........I'll be attending again as soon as my radiation is finished. Not sure what I'm going through for but I'm leaning towards a degree in Archeology........
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HELP! NEED INFORMATION
by SHUNNED FATHER inwhere in the watch tower publications does it say that jw family members should not associate with a family member that has been disfellowshipped or disassociated.
i will be going to court to get access to my daughter cassandra and joint custody.
for the past several months, i have not been able to have any visits with her.
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Mary
Here's an excellent link you want..........
http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.aspx?id=32115&site=3
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HELP! NEED INFORMATION
by SHUNNED FATHER inwhere in the watch tower publications does it say that jw family members should not associate with a family member that has been disfellowshipped or disassociated.
i will be going to court to get access to my daughter cassandra and joint custody.
for the past several months, i have not been able to have any visits with her.
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Mary
Here's a bit of information on it, but I know there was a recent KM or WT study on avoiding such ones......I'll see if I can find it.....in the mean time, this might be of benefit to you because it shows their wishy washy faith on doctrines........
*** w88 11/15 19 Helping Others to Worship God (ftn) ***
Previously, unbaptized ones who unrepentantly sinned were completely avoided. While, as adjusted above, this is not required, the counsel at 1 Corinthians 15:33 should still be observed.16
Occasionally, an unbaptized publisher who is a wrongdoer will not respond to loving assistance. Or an unbaptized publisher may determine that he does not want to continue progressing toward baptism, and he informs the elders that he does not want to be recognized as a publisher. What is to be done? Disfellowshipping action is not taken regarding such ones who actually have not become approved by God. The arrangement of disfellowshipping unrepentant wrongdoers applies to those called brothers, to baptized ones. (1 Corinthians 5:11) Does this mean, though, that the wrongdoing is ignored? No.17
The elders are responsible to shepherd the flock of God in their care. (1 Peter 5:2) If two elders offering help determine that an unbaptized wrongdoer is unrepentant and unqualified to be a publisher, they will inform the individual. Or if some unbaptized one tells the elders that he no longer wishes to be recognized as a publisher, they will accept his decision. In either case, it is appropriate for the Congregation Service Committee to have a simple announcement made at an appropriate time, saying " . . . is no longer a publisher of the good news."18
How will Witnesses thereafter view the person? Well, at an earlier point he was an unbeliever attending meetings. Then he both wanted to be and qualified to be a publisher of the good news. This is no longer the case, so he again is a person of the world. The Bible does not require that Witnesses avoid speaking with him, for he is not disfellowshipped. Still, Christians will exercise caution with regard to such a person of the world who is not worshiping Jehovah, even as Israelites did regarding uncircumcised alien settlers. This caution helps to protect the congregation from any "little leaven," or corrupting element. (1 Corinthians 5:6) If at some later time he expresses a genuine desire for a Bible study to be held with him, and this seems in order to the elders, perhaps it will help him come to appreciate again what a privilege it is to worship Jehovah with His people.Psalm 100.*** w89 2/15 29 Questions From Readers ***
DoesthematerialonbeingapprovedbyGodmeanthatChristiansmayspeaktoonewhooncewasconsideredan"approvedassociate"butlater,becauseofwrongdoing,wastobeavoided?Yes, it does. TheWatchtower of November 15, 1988, showed why it is Scriptural to adjust our view of an unbaptized person who shares in the public ministry with Jehovahs Witnesses. Formerly, such a person was termed an "approved associate." If he thereafter unrepentantly broke Gods laws, the congregation was alerted, and the members would then avoid association and conversation with him.
As the recent material showed, the Bible requires that such disciplinary action be taken in the case of baptized persons who are unrepentant wrongdoers. (1 Corinthians 5:11-13; 2 John 9-11) Yet, the accountability of an unbaptized person who pursues wrongdoing is not the same as that of one who is baptized. (Luke 12:48) He has not been baptized and thus has not become approved in Gods sight, so disfellowshipping is not appropriate in his case. Basically, he is now a worldly person and can be dealt with accordingly.
What, then, of one who was formerly termed an "approved associate" but who is no longer qualified for the public ministry because of his wrong course? Since he is not disfellowshipped, he should be treated as the person of the world that he is. Of course, the November 15 Watchtower advised on page 19 that due caution must be exercised by loyal Christians. These realize that the unbaptized person may well have shared in wrongdoing despite his having knowledge of Gods requirements. Mature Christians must be careful about socializing with such an individual. If questions arise as to the extent of contact that may be had with him, most of these can be resolved by following godly counsel. We can reflect on counsel such as that found at 1 Corinthians 15:33 and Proverbs 13:20 and ask ourselves: What association would I properly have with a person of the world who is not living by Christian standards? If the elders see that a worldly person of this sort poses any threat, they can privately offer warning counsel to those in the congregation who seem to be endangered.
In time, an unbaptized person who had been an "approved associate" may give reasonable evidence of repentance, and he may desire to have a Bible study again. (Acts 26:20) He may speak to the elders of the congregation where he now attends, who, if it seems advisable, will arrange for him to have a Bible study. This will apply also if in the future someone is disqualified as an unbaptized publisher and later shows repentance. Usually, he ought to speak to the two elders who dealt with his wrongdoing or the two others whom the body of elders chose to review the matter if he requested that.
Appropriately, TheWatchtower explained that it is somewhat different in the case of parents caring for minor children in the homethose legally dependent minors for whom they are responsible to provide material support. (Ephesians 6:1-4) The Scriptures lay on the parents the obligation to instruct and guide their children. So the parents (or believing parent) may choose to conduct a private Bible study with the erring minor or to include him in the familys program of Bible study and discussion.
While the recent Watchtower material calls for adjustment in our thinking and dealings, it is done in line with the Scriptures that are beneficial "for disciplining in righteousness."2 Timothy 3:16, 17.
*** w88 11/15 17 Helping Others to Worship God ***
Previously, an unbaptized person who qualified to share in the field ministry was termed an "approved associate." However, "unbaptized publisher" is a more accurate designation, especially in view of the Biblical indication that Gods approval results from a valid dedication and Christian baptism. -
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They don't know we left
by imanaliento inour first congregation is about 350 miles and we moved to a new one 8 years ago.
we kept in touch with the people that brought us in the truff over the years.
like there was some special bonding.. we disassociated here in aug, i guess it was announced in sept. we thought that word would travel and our old congregation would get the news.
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Mary
I would write back and tell them that, due to the disgusting policies of the religion, that you can not, in all good conscienous, go to a Kingdom Hall anymore...........
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I cried for the past
by joelbear ini cried for a long time today, very deeply, sobbing heavily for those i have lost in my life.
mostly due to watchtower rules.. i am developing a new set of bear friends and look forward to good times with them.. the suicidal thoughts have subsided.. i have never really tried to make a concrete set of friends here.
i think its time to do so.
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Mary
Hi Joel;
I'm glad to see that you seem to be doing a bit better........crying for those who were part of your life in the Borg is absolutely normal - especially knowing that this isn't the "one true religion" like we were always taught. The hurt will be with you for a long while, but the best part is discovering that there is a whole world of potential friends out there, who don't judge someone by their religious beliefs. There are alot of good "worldly" people who can prove to be good, solid, reliable friends who won't abandon you on a whim.
I'm fortunate in that I have an outgoing personality and make friends easily.......I find that taking courses at a college, getting involved in voluntary programs, going to a different church (not sure if that's on your agenda or not), and social clubs at work, can all help you meet new people and make new friends.
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how are you going to celebrate Christmas
by blindfool inthe news from this weekend seems to be that retail sales were great this weekend.
walmart set new records for sales.
thats great news for the us economy!.
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Mary
Well, my familys coming over.......but half of them are still Dubs so we won't be exchanging any gifts......but I exchange gifts with my co-workers and I usually give to the needy at Christmas time...........thanks to your post, I think I'll try to give more this year......
p.s. I can't say that I'll be spending any time in Service though! LOL!