a friend just called me and told me to check out chicagotribune.com.
below is the article to which he pointed me.
warning: it's very disturbing.. .
I say we call out the old Eye for an Eye law here. The parents must suffer what the child suffered and those other kids need to head straight into intensive therapy.
If you need someone to deliver the lashes to the parents, give me a call.
Always willing to help klass,
Julie
ever been in a situation where you start to feel a certain affinity with a poster?.
i have, quite recently i began to take particular notice of one posters writings, and i thought to myself - 'that fella has got his head screwed on!'.
a week or so later said "fella" made a reference to her husband!
Hi E-man,
Great idea, clear up some of those mysteries, eh?
Okey dokey, for the record, I am a girl.
Julie
one frequently hears the disinformation and lies from people like bishop spong and others about how 'fundalmentalist christians are a terroristic threat'.
one must first ask what do these people have as an agenda, truth or promoting their own cause?
spong is relatively widely known as a 'alleged' christian who takes little of the bible at reasonable face-value.
Hello Rex, my darling!
You said:
:I guess it will not acomplish anything to keep arguing with everyone. You will see it as you see it, regrardless of how stark the evidencial differences are. I grieve for you all, friends, kindred people, who did not find God on their way out.
You really are a dear Rex. I know you are sincere in your beliefs and your wish to "save" everyone. You see it one way I see it another, I don't think the two will ever be reconciled but that's ok.
I think your intent is good that and that counts for something love. No one wants to argue with you either. Besides, some may have found God, just not in the bible.
You also said:
:I get too overzealous and overbearing but I swear to you, it's not for sake of winning a debate or pride. I just want you to see the other side.
I know you do Rex. The thing is most of us have seen the side of which you speak and seeing it again will not be changing any minds. We still love you though.
:I want you to see the light of the son and what He has done through me. You'll find there is mystery and not all about the whys and hows can be answered. That's where faith comes in.
Some have faith in other things and there are no mysteries to accept. Personally I believe in the Greater Good. It's all relative that way and makes perfect sense. No fear or mysteries involved, no great unknowns. We all get our enlightenment, some cannot believe it comes from within, some can.
I think your wish for all to be saved here is very touching because it is so simple and sincere:
:Listen for His voice, some dark night when you have come to the end of yourself and there is nowhere to turn for comfort. He is there for it is God will that all shall be saved (jn3.16). None have sinned too much to be forgiven (Rom.6.23). It is by grace that you are saved (Eph.2.6).Salvation is there for the asking (Rom.10.-11).
Dear Rex, you needn't worry, there are lots of us who do not need to be saved. I have every confidence no harm will befall us who think like this. You sould too.
Take care now love,
Julie
if evolution is true and god doesnt exist, and all matter always existed, and life keeps adapting and getting more and more advanced, conquering all problems set before its existence.. then life should have already filled the entire universe and advanced to the point of never dying.. am i being presumptuous?.
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if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
D. Wiltshire said:
:Yet we have to be honest and say the atheist has as many or more unsatisfying answers, with no appearent answers comming forth.
I don't know about that DW. I happen to see earlier in this thread where Abaddon gave you lots of answers. You know, the ones that answered questions you asked? The ones you didn't even address? They are apparently the ones you refer to here. I think they were the ones you were quick to assume Abaddon didn't have either.
I must compliment you though, I thought this was a nice touch:
:Now that we have gotten away from the insults, and the casting of aspersions, perhaps we can have a meaningful adult conversation and avoid useing weak misdirecting of attention to personalities.
No points for originality though, sorry.
Your "reasoning" throughout your posts reminds me of someone else I know. Interesting.
Julie
hebrews chapter 11 is well-known for its description of the "heroes of faith.
" after speaking of the most notable figures from the old testament it says:.
"women received their dead by resurrection; but other men were tortured because they would not accept release by some ransom, in order that they might attain a better resurrection.
Hi Catholic Guy,
You won't find many non-Catholics into that book, eh? With all that "pray for the dead" stuff and all. I remember thinking how obvious it was when that book didn't make the cut when the Protestants were busy doing all that editing. I am sure one of them will come along and "correct" you/your post eventually.
Funny stuff.
Take care,
Julie
matt 20: .
20 pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a sabbath.
21 for then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be.. 22 and if those days had not been shortened, no human being would be saved; but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.. 23 then if any one says to you, 'lo, here is the christ!
I have a question. The second time Jesus comes will there be a lengthy tracing of his roots back through his earthly father to "prove" he is of David's tree at the same time his followers claim he was conceived by "the holy spirit"?
Just wondering if we'll be able to eliminate a few contradictions the second time through.....
Julie
what classical music do you enjoy and why?
can you please state whether in/out jw's?
Hi Celtic,
I love classical music! My all-time favorite is Mozart. Such an impulsive soul. Unexpected turns. My kind of guy. There are others but my heart belongs to Wolfie.
Julie
if evolution is true and god doesnt exist, and all matter always existed, and life keeps adapting and getting more and more advanced, conquering all problems set before its existence.. then life should have already filled the entire universe and advanced to the point of never dying.. am i being presumptuous?.
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if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Hi Rem,
You suggested D. Wiltshire read:
Five Ages of the Universe, Fred Adams and Greg Laughlin
I wonder if there is any relation to a Douglas Adams who wrote a book that helped me to better understand the universe. He wrote A Hitch-hiker's Guide to the Universe. I highly recommend it.
Regards,
Julie
if evolution is true and god doesnt exist, and all matter always existed, and life keeps adapting and getting more and more advanced, conquering all problems set before its existence.. then life should have already filled the entire universe and advanced to the point of never dying.. am i being presumptuous?.
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if someone lived a trillion x longer than you, and had a billion x more reasoning ability would he come to the same conclusions as you?.
Greetings to All--
Wow! What a thread! I learn so much from these kinds of threads, always grateful to those who contribute substantially to them.
D. Wiltshire,
The only thing that you have written that even remotely resembles a reply to Abaddon's post, which puts forth a great deal of information backing up his views, is this:
:While I do read what scientist say, I think some times they get carried away in there assumptions.
While I apreciate facts I gloss over what I concider far out assumptions.
I hope you enjoyed our little sparring.
Is this then to be considered your rebuttal?
Abaddon,
When I make it over to your world, I will be looking you up.
Regards,
Julie
question to throw out to anyone who cares to answer.. what do jw's believe happens when they die.
jon always told me that when life was over, that was it, no heaven no hell just nothingness.. is that what jw's really believe?
he didn't like to talk about it with me because he thought it would upset me.. thanks for any input,.
finnrot said:
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The only reason religion exists is because most people are afraid to die and ultimately they are afraid of not existing anymore.
The sad fact is, you live you die and then the worms eat you.
Most people can't handle that so they beg and grovel to an unseen being and hang out around people that reassure them that everything will be O.K.
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Well said. This whole religon thing has gone on for millenia and you have summarized it perfectly. I concur with your view completely.
The way to gain true immortality is through posteriety. What lives on after you from your life be it through personal accomplishment or having influenced someone else to achieve some sort of greatness. Too many this is not acceptable, there must be more. The sad part is how much resources go into achieving this mythical immortality that would be better spent achieving the attainable immortality. Ah the irony.
Regards,
Julie
