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  'Christmas' - (another view)

  by Farkel in

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  in the "christmas" thread, aroarer asked this:.

  : ...have researched christmas in a new way and have come to realize it is not as evil as wt teaches.

  the real ugliness is the wt.

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  JWinSF

  Regarding Joseph Joachim's posting:

  He is definitely in the minority, IMO. Farkel's experience is by far the norm, also IMO. Young people often do not know that they have options. In fact, they don't really have options [like going to College since there is the very real fear of losing contact with other "righteous" JWs for not following "Mother's" direction]. Regarding the point that JJ made about not having experienced joy since leaving the JWs like he had at the doors as a JW, boy, do I feel sorry for him.

  All I can say is that I'd never experienced joy and freedom in life until I left the JWs at age 45. Now, 8 years later, I've never regretted leaving nor ever thought of going back. Why would I want to turn back to that vomit? I know a fairly large number of other ex-JWs in the San Francisco Bay area through three different groups. I don't ever recall hearing any say that they weren't coerced into leading antiseptic JW lives. They all speak of having been denied college educations due to their involvement with the JWs. I also don't recall any of them saying that their lives were more joyful before as a JW than after.

  Farkel, as always, you're kewl!!! JJ, well, I think he needs some help.
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  The LATEST JW Worldwide report on line

  by bj in

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  you can check the worldwide 2001 report at:.

  http://observer.org/apps/pbcs.dll/article?site=wo&date=20011119&category=jwandsociety3&artno=111200001.

  joe

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  They'll probably explain-away the decreases to the gullible [yup, yup, yeah, that's how it is, cuz Brookly says so] publishers. They'll try to make it look like it's proof that they're God's Organization by referencing "in the last days, the love of the greater number will cool off". The only problem is, that the love that's cooled off is the true unconditional love that's been replaced by the antiseptic conditional love of the JW theology.
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  What are your favorite quotes about JW's?

  by Mindchild in

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  do you have any favorite quotes of either something the watchtower said or quotes from outsiders about the witnesses?.

  here are two of my own.... "when i was a kid in the ghetto, a gang started going around harassing people, so some of the toughest kids formed a gang called the sharks to stop them.

  the other gang was called the jehovah's witnesses.

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  JWinSF

  Similar to Hmmm's posting above. I was taking a break at McDonalds down the street from the District Convention. I and a few other friends were advertising our support group for gay/lesbian current/ex JWs.

  It was during mid-morning so the place had pretty much emptied out of Dubz. When I got to the counter, the lady behind it said how she looked forward to the time when their meetings would be over [they go on for several successive weeks at the Cow Palace for the Northern California area]. She mentioned how rude many of them were.

  I just had to laugh inside. The Dubz are always "crowing" about how much they're appreciated in whatever town that they come to. Well, that's just more Corporate BS to keep the Dubz thinking that they are "the one true religion".
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  Why I Do What I Do - Randy Watters

  by Dogpatch in

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  hi friends,.

  i have been overwhelmed by the number of witnesses contacting me on the net lately.

  traffic to the site has more than tripled since feb. 1999, and i am getting tons of email every day.

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  JWinSF

  Hi Randy,

  The response by the JW reminds me of a line from one of my favorite movies, "The Eqyptian" [1954]. Pharoah Ankenahten in search of the "One God" is battling with the Egyptian polytheistic priesthood. He astutely states (paraphrasing): "When a man living in darkness comes into the light, it hurts his eyes. And so he curses the light."

  Keep up the work. The others' eyes will get adjusted to the "new light" [LOL] and will soon be thankful for all of the other things that they can now see.
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  A question about those who are disassociated

  by OUTLAW in

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  when i disassociated myself i just walked out and didn`t come back.i gave the elders no explanation,i just told them not to bother me again,that was in 1974.when i read the posts on this forum,it seems as though some feel the need to give a formal explanation.why is this ?are the jws demanding an explanation if you leave?if so why would you go along with this invasion of privacy?i would appreciate it,if someone could bring me up to date on this...thanks...outlaw

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  JWinSF

  For me, it was a self-affirmation to let them know.

  I disassociated due to my sexual orientation. I WANTED them to know that I saw nothing wrong with my it and that I was going to [essentially] remove them from part of my life before they could remove me from part of their lives. [They couldn't DF me because up to that time, I'd not acted on my sexual orientation.]

  You're correct, that they don't need to know. In my case, I felt much better --- "out of the closet" --- by telling them why I was leaving.

  I also told members of the congregation that were close to me [before I'd sent in the letter of dissassociation] why I was planning to disassociate. I didn't "give a rat's ass" about what those who were not close to me would hear. But, I wanted those who were dear to me to hear the truth and not have only the viscious JW rumor mill that was bound to start as the source of their information.
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  PO VISIT and THE BLOOD ISSUE

  by freeman in

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  if you followed the thread i posted earlier about the po coming by to talk about my objections to their shunning policy, you know that the po had to cancel and rescheduled the meeting till next monday.

  oh the busy lives of janitors.

  my wife, the loyal dub also told him that i have a problem with the blood issue.

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  JWinSF

  I have nothing to add other than that you did an excellent job of summing up the blatant inconsistencies of the JWs' stance on the use of blood.

  Wishing you the best.
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  Mispronunciations at the meetings

  by TR in

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  moxy raised a point in the "exaggeration" thread that aggravated me at the meetings.

  mispronunciations.

  moxy mentioned the word 'hyperbole' as frequently being mispronounced.. another one that bugged me was 'epitome'.

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  Not restricted to JWs, but "here goes":

  [1] "I could care less" instead of "I couldn't care less".

  [2] "A whole nuther thing" Instead of "Another thing".

  [3] "Nucular" instead of "nuclear".

  [4] "Does (he, she) have a temperature?" instead of "Does (he, she) have a fever?"

  ...to name just a few.
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  Crisis of Conscience: POLL

  by Grout in

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  well, i'm finally reading coc, and i must tell you that despite already being an ex-dub i was *shocked*.

  the thing that got me was the gb's apparently unselfconsciously acting above all the rules that they would apply so harshly to everyone else.

  maybe i'm naive, but i didn't expect that level of hypocrisy.. so what did you find most shocking in coc?

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  JWinSF

  Most shocking?

  Gosh, can't narrow it down to any one item. It's been some time since I read it [1994]. But, what I found equally appalling was their invasion of bedrooms resulting in breakups of marriage, their inconsistent treatment of the members in Malawi vs. Mexico, their cold-hearted treatment of Franz's friends, their equally cold-hearted way of dealing with Franz.

  Wait until you read "In Search of Christian Freedom"! You'll see that even then they were on very shaky ground with 1914 and the blood issue. You'll also see that almost all the "sacred cow" theological stances are bogus.
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  Oct 7th BBQ in San Francisco

  by Introspection in

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  summary: real people, phony religion.

  i'll let the others fill in on the details.

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  JWinSF

  It was great meeting all you guys.

  In the past we've done the picnic/BBQ in July. This year was delayed. Sorree our weather was so crappy.

  We also have historically done something in January [indoors]. Dunno what the status of that is yet, though.
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  how long were you out before...

  by lydia in

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  hello all.. i'm just trying to get a handle on everyone in here..so how long have all of you been out of the borg?

  also how long was it till you got on here??.

  lydia

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  JWinSF

  I decided to DA in January 1994 and advised the elders of it. They didn't really try to change my mind. I read the books "Crisis of Conscience" and "In Search of Christian Freedom" by Raymond Franz after I initially made my decision to DA and knew that when I sent my letter in March 1994 there wasn't any reason why I'd want to remain in the corrupt and untruthful Organization [my decision to DA initially was due to my sexual orientation].

  I got on the Internet in the summer of 1996. First a regular on Watchtower Observer's message board, then a regular on H2O. When H2O made changes a while back and the frequency of posts declined, I came here based on a friend's recommendation. That was a few months ago.

  And, I'm from San Francisco