Posts by ABibleStudent

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My conversation with my mother in law.

by StephaneLaliberte in

my wife and i recently took the decision to fade out progressively and we are now in the stage where we no longer assist to our meetings.

in this process, we have told the truth to our respective parents but have not forced ourselves upon them; meaning that: we will talk about it when you want to.

as a result, my mother in-law already had some conversations with my wife on why we no longer went, but never brought up the subject with me, at least, up until yesterday.. she was telling us that a good deal of people miss us at the meeting and i answered that i missed them also.

ABibleStudent

Excellant logic ecan6!! I hope that it makes your MIL critically think for herself.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Victory in Defeat !

by cookiemaster in

maybe you guys remember that in january, i shared here our situation with the ongoing conflict with the ms that was conducting the wt study in our home.

well, my parents decided to talk to the elders about it.

the last time he held the study in our home he really said some insulting things during it.

ABibleStudent

Hi cookiemaster, Can you convince your parents to conduct a home Bible Study? Your objective would be to help your parents to identify how the Pharisees and Sadducees used BITE control techniques to victimize Jews and how Jesus Christ felt about it. DO NOT draw parrallels to the WTBTS. Let your parents critically think for themselves and make their own conclustions. Help and encourage your parents to use internet searches to do independent research of the WTBTS. According to a Watchtower in 1989, I believe, the truth is still the truth even if Satan says it.

If you do not know how to identify BITE control techniques, please visit Steve Hassan's website www.freedomofmind.com and watch his FREE videos on his website. I recommend watching the following videos:

Strategic Interactive Approach explained 2003 (1:23:23)
The BITE Model (Behavior Information Thought Emotion) (5:03)
NY Ethical Culture Society February 2013 (41:09)
NY Ethical Culture Society 2010 (40:56)

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Is the WT a 501[c][3] incorporated non profit

by barry in

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the reason i ask is because from what i have heard the sda church is of this statis.

because of the 5013c in the sdas there are certain laws which will effect the church now and into the future such as .

no discrimination for homosexuality and any court case would be lost in favour of a homosexual if they felt they were being discriminated against.

ABibleStudent

Hi barry, The WTBTS is a 501(c)(3) non-profit because it claims to be a religion. I do not believe that the U.S. IRS has revoked any religious organization's non-profit status for sexual discrimination, but it has for racial discrimination, which was uphed by the U.S. Supreme Court in BOB JONES UNIVERSITY, GOLDSBORO CHRISTIAN SCHOOLS, INC. v. UNITED STATES. 461 U.S. 574 (1983).

Use the following link to determine whether the IRS considers an organization as a non-profit organization or has revoked its non-profit status: http://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/. I would start her to verify claims that the IRS has revoked an organization's non-profit status.

The WTBTS has the following two entities in the State of NY with the names containing Watchtower and Watch Tower that are considered as non-profit organizations:

11-1857820	Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania	Brooklyn	NY
11-1753577	Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of New York Inc.	Brooklyn	NY

Here is a link to the 501 section of the US tax code: 26 U.S. Code § 501.

There are very few reasons for revoking an organization's non-profit staus if it claims that it is a religion. Currently the IRS is able to revoke a religious organization's non-profit status for funding terrorism and for net earnings inuring to the benefit of any private shareholder or individual (e.g., remember the Unification Church), which are in the Tax Code, and for racial discrimination, which was upheld by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I hav to ask....whats next

by Jon Preston in

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hi all!!

im insanely excited and absoluteky flooeed with my wifes reacton to my honesty on the wt....shes worried about returning to who she eas, wanting to do drugs and drink and be anparty-er....so i ask many in my situation......whats next?!?!

)!.

ABibleStudent

Hi Jon Preston, How old was your wife when she wanted to do drugs and drink and be a party animal? Was she married to you? How much did your wife actualy do? Your wife is possibly not the same person who she was when she wanted to do drugs and drink and be a party animal.

She might have a lot more work overcoming the phobias that the WTBTS indoctrinates JWs with and the resulting personality changes than she would have overcoming desires to do drugs and drink now.

If she is so afraid of wanting to do drugs and drink, ask her if she would like to talk with a counselor. There are better options for both of you than being victimized by the WTBTS.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

35

Confused?

by nomorepain13 in

i have been going to meetings since i was a child, long story short only recently i've started taking the truth seriously, i am not baptized but just an unbaptized publisher.

truth is i am so lonely in the congregation.

the other young people in the cong don't like me because they dont think i am going to "stay" for long, i've even worked on the ministry with an older brother and asked her am i giving the wrong impression to people?

ABibleStudent

nomorepain13 - I am planning on getting a job far away and moving out I think that is the best thing, but should I really talk to the elders about how I want to leave?

Hi nomorepain13, Welcome and I'm sorry that you are feeling so depressed.

If you do not want to feel more depressed, DO NOT talk to the elders about your feelings about leaving. It will only make matters worse for you . The WTBTS only wants JWs to serve a printing, print distribution, and real estate holding corporation. It does not want you to be successful and to enjoy life.

Use the internet to either confirm or deny your feelings. Independently research your beliefs. Visit reputable websites like www.jwfacts.com, www.freedomofmind.com, www.freeminds2.org, and www.watchtowerdocuments.com. If you do not provide many details about yourself, vent about your feelings and ask questions on JWN, because know one knows who you are and how to contact the elders in your congregation. If you talk about your feelings to JWs you may be marked and isolated more.

Add more details to your current plan to move away. Obtain more education/training to qualify for a well-paying career that you will enjoy, make more non-JW friends, and DO NOT get dunked until you have overcome your doubts.

If you decide that leaving the WTBTS is right for you, read books by exit-cult couselors like Steve Hassan (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones to Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visit his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watch his FREE videos on his website. The WTBTS is a dangerous cult that uses BITE control techniques to victimize JWs to always do more for the benefit of the WTBTS and not JWs. You will need help in overcome the WTBTS's indoctrinated phobias that you may have.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I should'nt let them get to me, but.......

by quellycatface in

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one day, i'll have the courage to ask why she looks at me like that..

ABibleStudent

Cheer up quellycatface. Once you overcome your WTBTS induced phobias you will be free of the WTBTS and your life will have unlimited possibilities. That sister may never be more than a whipped slave to the WTBTS and her husband.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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I'm not trying to brag, but being an EXJW is awesome!!! Status Update-

by Coffee House Girl in

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hello jwn!

i don't get to check in here or comment as often as i would like because i have been working so hard at school...but i just have to share my news in hopes that newbees can see that taking the leap to enroll in higher education is worth it-.

i am graduating this spring with a bachelor degree in art history, minor anthropology...many people (including nonjw's have given me flack for choosing a "dead end" career path) but since leaving the watchtower organization's group-think mentality and "leaning on my own understanding" instead... i decided to say fuck everyone else's opinion...i am going to pursue my passion to work in a museum as a curator or archivist-.

ABibleStudent

Congratulations Coffee House Girl!! Trust your instincts.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Russian Parliament Approves Military Action in the Crimea

by ABibleStudent in

why did russian president vladimir putin ask the russian parliament to approve using military forces to keep the peace in the crimea, instead of asking the un?

why did the russian parliment pass a law approving military force instead of asking for the un to send peace keeping forces to the crimea (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/01/world/europe/ukraine-politics/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)?.

is russia spiralling into a totalitarian dictatorship like germany in the 1930's and the soviet union from 1920's - 1990's with information control and coercive tactics?

ABibleStudent

Control information. Control people. A simple and effective formula.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/07/world/europe/crimea-journalists-threatened/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Hello

by GoUnion in

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hello everyone it's nice to finally be able to post i had trouble getting emails last month and was never able to sign up.

this has been a very informative site which has really helped me grow and to think for myself.

please allow me to introduce myself.. i was born into a witness family and was baptized at a young age an was part of a small kingdom hall.

ABibleStudent

Welcome GoUnion, Please vent on JWN as much as possible so that JWs do not become suspicious about what you believe now. Does your wife believe as you do? Many marriages have failed because a spouse told the other spouse TTATT.

If she still believes that the WTBTS is God's sole channel then be patient with her. Do more research about dangerous cults, such as reading Steve Hassan's books (i.e., "Combatting Cult Mind Control", "Releasing the Bonds: Empowering People to Think for Themselves", and (his latest book) "Freedom of Mind: Helping Loved Ones Leave Controlling People, Cults and Beliefs"), visit his website www.freedomofmind.com, and watch his FREE videos on his website. Make a plan how to help your wife to critically think for herself and without telling her all that you believe.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert

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Has a critical mass of exJWs been reached?

by truthseeker in

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it took the better part of 15 years but i believe we have finally arrived at that point where there is now a critical mass of former witnesses.. thousands of exjws come together on forums like this one and discuss findings, ideas and research.

there have been documentaries and even a movie made about life in the jehovah's witnesses.. ex jw websites, online forums, and discussion boards that set the wheels in motion in the early to late 90s have matured into powerful tools of social change within the organization.. the lies and false doctines taught by the watchtower bible & tract society are plainly accessible with just a cursory google search.. active elders leak boe letters, often weeks before they hit the notice board in a kingdom hall.. social media has allowed exjws to connect with those still in as well as those who have left.. the society have no game plan because information is power and they have lost the information war.

all they can do is cry wolf and warn the rank and file not to listen to apostates.. i don't know what future the society will face in the next ten years, but changing world events, social trends, and reactionary change from headquarters based on their own faulty biblical chronology has got them cornered like a raging animal.. it doesn't look good..

ABibleStudent

The WTBTS using BITE control to victimize JWs probably reduced the number of JWs more than online forums. IMHO most ex-JWs leave the WTBTS because of how JWs treat each other after getting dunked and feeling, as JWs, that they can never do enough to satisfy the WTBTS leadership. People respond better to praise than to more whipping.

On-line forums that strictly discuss errors in WTBTS doctrines are less likely to awaken JWs because of the WTBTS's BITE control - "Evil Apostates". On-line forums that describe experiences of exJWs, while JWs, would probably have a more significant impact on JWs. A JW's authentic persona would relate to being depressed and/or badly treated by JWs, and start to wonder why do I put up with this and why would it change after the Big A.

Peace be with you and everyone, who you love,

Robert