Posts by clarity

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Hello, my name is:

by fortis et liber in

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i have lurked here literally for years and, finally, i got up the nerve to say hello 'officially' so, hello!.

i left the borg in '97, i'm the youngest in my family of all dubs.

i was pretty much born-in as i believe i was around 2yrs old when my parents began their transition from independent thinkers to borgs.

clarity

CoonDawg your grannie's actions are despicable. So sorry!

I wonder if it would be these ones who would pick-up the first stone?

c

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my story....

by losecontrol in

well i am new to this, and i must admit that at first i was very opposed to this site.

i grew up being a witness and was warned about looking into apostate things, which is exactly what this site would be that they are referring to.

i always tried to live my life the best that i could under the societys control, and never really got to have any life experiance at all.

clarity

You just put one foot forward ...now keep going. Keep digging.

"We have a kid together and she has a daughter from a previous relationship, that i view as one of my children adn i love very much. My wife is a lot more important to me than some stupid religion"

Never forget these words!

all the best

clarity

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Hello, my name is:

by fortis et liber in

jw
friends

i have lurked here literally for years and, finally, i got up the nerve to say hello 'officially' so, hello!.

i left the borg in '97, i'm the youngest in my family of all dubs.

i was pretty much born-in as i believe i was around 2yrs old when my parents began their transition from independent thinkers to borgs.

clarity

Aww Fortis you made me 'lose it' for a minute there. What an awful cult that produces this kind of hate & stupidity.

" not long after I left all evidence of my existence (pictures, etc) were deciedly removed from sight and, no mention of me made. It's like.... I never existed at all."

I'm almost speachless - omg the audacity and destructiveness engendered by this 'religion' is so evil. So very sorry.

I wish the very best that LIFE can offer you.

clarity

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out but not out

by focariedu21 in

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from australia very difficult life in the truth always fighting for the young ones as they had it very tough in the italian cong and i being a ms was always repramanded for it.

been in the truth for over 30 years together with my sibblings and mother.

mum passed away last year with parkinsons desease.

clarity

Focariedu21 welcome,

I love 'stand up' gutsy people!! Good for you!

So sorry about your folks. I guess your siblings think they are 'true' christians, rather peddle magazines than care for their parents!

Take care of yourself & family and let us know how it's going will you.

clarity

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Andres' Example In the March 1,2010 Watchtower

by EmptyInside in

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well, i never really paid attention before,until it was brought to my attention here on jwn,but andre sure has a lot going on in his life.. i happened to see in the march 1,2010 watchtower on page 21, the box on remarriage,the article is about the death of a marriage mate,andres,was against his father remarrying.

but,then, he realized marriage cheered his father up again.. i think finding andre is a new fun game and makes it even worth glancing through the magazines again.

lol.

clarity

Andre was born in 1971 (or maybe sooner) and he's still having trouble getting out of bed in the morning 'cause he's been doing..... well you know. This guy needs a life!

w 11/06 p18: A young man named Andre had similar thoughts [in regards to masturbation]: "I felt like such a hypocrite," he says. "It was a struggle to get out of bed in the morning and face the day."

clarity

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HOW DO YOU DO IT?

by clarity in

i knew this was going to happen ... i was at a gathering the other night and sure enough!

number reinstated - 0.33%.

reinstated??

clarity

I knew this was going to happen ... I was at a gathering the other night and sure enough! A very devout jw started gushing on about how we can be so thankful that armageddon hasn't happened yet, because now more people will be saved!

?"Jehovah is not slow respecting his promise, as some people consider slowness, but he is patient with YOU because he does not desire any to be destroyed but desires all to attain to repentance."? 2 Peter 3:9

Of course math not being my favorite subject ... I stammered away about the population explosion, birth rate, death rate , conversion rate ... well I sort of got the point across that in fact the delay just makes more people for god to kill! But I really had to wrack my brain...whew!

So here are the statistics from JWfacts to show this ... but is there someone who has a quicker & easier to remember answer for the statement, that delaying armageddon will save more lives?

Your help will be most appreciated ... remember to put the explanation in 'apples & oranges'! lol

clarity

"The Watchtower explains the Last Days have continued so long as Jehovah ?desires all to attain to repentance.? If only active Jehovah?s Witnesses will be saved then this Scripture does not make sense. On average, over 200,000 people are born everyday, but the number of active Jehovah'?s Witnesses increases by only 224 (2005 daily increase in average publishers). Each day that Armageddon delays requires Jehovah to destroy an extra 200,000 people.

It has been stated that Jehovah is speeding up the growth of the Watchtower Society, with predictions that the momentum would continue.

speeding up

Watchtower

Statistics show this no longer holds true. It will take major policy change for the Watchtower Society to have a hope of turning this trend around and start growing at any significant rate.

Notes on how Statistics derived

The following statistical information has been used in the estimation of some figures above:

Number disfellowshipped annually - 1.00%

This is based on Watchtower 1992 July 1 p.19 "In recent years disfellowshippings worldwide have been approximately 1 percent of publishers." Watchtower 1986 January 1 p.13 stated, ?It is to be noted, also, that during the past year, 36,638 individuals had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation? In 1985 average publishers were 2,865,183, so 36,638 represented 1.28%.

Watchtower 1987 September 15 p.13 ?Unfortunately, during the 1986 service year, 37,426 had to be disfellowshipped from the Christian congregation?? Of the 3,063,289 publishers this represented 1.22%

Number reinstated - 0.33%

I have used an average figure of 1/3 of the number disfellowshipped subsequently being reinstated. This is based on the following comments.

Watchtower 1974 August 1 p. 466 ?36,671 persons had to be disfellowshiped for various kinds of serious wrongdoing. Yet, in that same period 14,508 persons were reinstated?? This equates to 39.6% being reinstated.

Watchtower 1960 December 1 p.728 ?During the service year of 1958-1959 there were 6,552 individuals disfellowshiped by the New World society of Jehovah?s witnesses for various reasons ... and there were 1,597 ... Reinstated?? This equates to only 24%.

Number died

The CIA World Fact Book has been used for calculations that include the global population death rate, with http://esa.un.org/unpp/index.asp?panel=2 providing the rate averaged over 5 year periods. Where indicated, the above statistics take into account the number of Witnesses that die each year, so as not to over inflate the numbers leaving.

Average versus Peak Publishers

I have used average publishers rather than peak publishers. Peak publishers is an inaccurate figure due to how the Watchtower Society collects this data. For example, if a publisher forgets to report in January and lodges their January and February reports at the end of February, the January report is not adjusted. Both reports are added to February, creating an artificial spike. Using average publishers helps even out this error.

Footnotes:

1 "An even more extreme example of what might be called "masked churn" is the relatively tiny Jehovah's Witnesses, with a turnover rate of about two-thirds. That means that two-thirds of the people who told Pew they were raised Jehovah's Witnesses no longer are - yet the group attracts roughly the same number of converts." America's Unfaithful Faithful David Van Biema (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20080225/us_time/americasunfaithfulfaithful February 25 2008)

"Jehovah's Witnesses have the lowest retention rate of any religious tradition. Only 37% of all those who say they were raised as Jehovah's Witnesses still identify themselves as Jehovah's Witnesses." (http://religions.pewforum.org/reports As at March 8 2008)

"Jehovah's Witnesses are most "mobile." Accounting for less than 1 percent of American adults, one-third of their members leave the group, and two-fifths join from another religion." Currents Shaping Our World: Switched after Birth (http://www.ctlibrary.com/le/2003/summer/19.7.html July 1, 2003)

http://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/statistics.php

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The latest vid making the rounds...

by brizzzy in

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the latest viral jw vid making the email rounds.

check out all the comments.

https://picasaweb.google.com/102049712443478507274/simonsfirsttalk?authkey=gv1srgcnkvqbxowmxuow#5583312016502551954.

clarity

Wow, how many hours did it take out this kid's life preparing for this? He's 31/2!!!

How now, does he top that? He was working on point #1. Now comes point #2.

Such a bright little guy but honestly, I could see him aging as he was speaking!

What a LOAD to put on the back of a little kid. This is not a one time event. He's now responsible to keep this up!

I'm quite sure his parents think this is good. It is pleasing to 'Jehovah' ... maybe, but do they realize the treadmill they've just thrown him onto? He's 31/2!

Personally, rather than being able to use words like - consequently - and talking about Haman being killed by hanging on a stake ... I would like to see him playing with his trains and being tucked into a warm little bed early ... not 10:30 -11:00!(mtg nite)

clarity

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What Are Their Motives?

by headisspinning in

i have a question.

if jws are a cult, what is the motivation of the leaders?

what are they getting out of controlling all these people?.

clarity

Wow I thought we were exposing the lies of wtbs, not making up more on here!!!!

c

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What Are Their Motives?

by headisspinning in

i have a question.

if jws are a cult, what is the motivation of the leaders?

what are they getting out of controlling all these people?.

clarity

Say What??? I'm just gobsmacked by this information about Solomon (jewish?) & Polson!

Freetobeme how much money is funneled to these people and what sort of payments are we talking about? Is this where the profits of all the free labour on the watchtower realestate goes? Is this where all the donations go? All the literature profits go? What a friggin bloody sham!!!!

Who in the world would ever join this fraud of an organization if they knew this!!!! Religion be damned! cult cult cult cult cult cult cult cult

Maybe in my next post I'll tell you how I REALLY feel! aaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhh

Plse any other information on this would be a delight!

clarity of the soooooo pissed class

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I missed my own one year mark :P

by tec in

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i've just noticed that i've been here a year, as of a couple weeks ago.

i missed it.

so here is my belated party, thrown for me, by me ;).

clarity

Best wishes on your 1st year Tammy & many more

clarity