hi guys!
i pull up to my daugher's home in phoenix this morning, just got there from tucson for a visit.
and lo and behold, 2 jw are walking up the driveway.
The Jehovah Witness version of this same analogy Is: If you stand in my living room 4:30 in the morning It's dark
I defy you to find a JW who will ever admit to darkness. It's "old light", which was "right at the time", but the "new light" is just "more right". Nothing was ever actually wrong, in the warped minds of a JW; it's just righter now. That's why they use the term "current Truth tm ", since what is old was Truth tm , too. Nothing was ever false.
i can't see myself not attending.
i would feel horrible not to go.
i don't know where i'm going to land and if i had to look back and think i didn't go... well, i would feel awful..
Probably not. I see no scriptural basis for "onlookers" who are not "partakers" to attend. I have no desire to go to Heaven and I'd feel like I'm crashing Jesus' party.
Not all of Jesus' followers attended the Last Supper, but only his apostles - who obviously were anointed. Evidence that JWs have mandatory Memorial attendance wrong and the idea that all 1 st -century Christians were anointed is wrong.
Bible Students and early Jehovah's Witnesses decided they were all anointed and in 1935 they decided nobody was anointed, then changed their minds that some can be but they're only replacements for the ones they said were and didn't stay good JWs, then decided the door was "ajar". Am I the only one who sees telling God who is and who isn't anointed as being a mite presumptuous?
the april km in the "question box" ask "how long should we.
study with a progressive bible student?".
it says that there are "two publications that need to be completed.
36 Now as they were going over the road, they came to a certain body of water, and the eunuch said: “Look! A body of water; what prevents me from getting baptized?” 37 —— 38 With that he commanded the chariot to halt, and they both went down into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.
Very few people realize the original v37 said:
Philip replied, "Okay, but we still need to finish these two Watchtower publications to make sure you're nice and indoctrinated. -oh, and you need to answer 120 questions."
I can't wait for the JWised drama about this. Or did I miss it in my absence?
looking back on my life i just have to wonder: what was i thinking?!.
how did i get involved with a religious cult in the first place???.
i am embarassed, frankly!.
This is a process known as "garbage in, garbage out". JWs fill their minds with garbage and forbid anything else from diluting this garbage. "For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks." - Mat 12:34 If there is nothing in you except for garbage, nothing else can come out.
Born-ins probably have it the worst, since thought, research, doubt, and everything outside the Organization tm have been so misrepresented and demonized that even teens and young adults avoid them out of mindless horror. If your parents are "good Witnesses" the whole time you're growing up, you really don't know anything else. It might take decades for the wall of unrealities that has been built in your mind since birth to be penetrated by facts.
Then, the fanatics who have gone from the radical cult mentality to the radical anti-cult mentality only serve to delay the process as their seething venom can be alienating. They appear to demonstrate all the facets the Apostates tm of Watchtower literature are described to possess. Your parents warn you the World tm is a terrible place where nobody loves anyone and everybody is out to hurt you. And they should know, because they were in it.
It's no wonder it can take years or decades to undo the brainwashing and thought control perpetrated by such a non-stop torrent of mental, emotional, and spiritual garbage. Many "strongly entrenched things" (2Cor 10:4) need to be overturned and that can be a long and arduous process. It can take several years for a born-in to even realize a desire or need to begin the process. Many never do and they are the glazed-eyed willful ignoramuses we have all met and can't bear to talk to.
had a patient that was a study... need i say more.
Yeah, they've really been pushing this new song book. I've never heard such fervor over anything so inane. "From Jehovah" has never been used so often as concerning this collection of lack-luster tripe. JWs were already convinced the New System is going to have Kingdom Melodies piped in, planet-wide, over PA systems. This new promotion as the new songs being a "gift from Jehovah" is just another power grab by the GB to further 'lift himself up over everyone who is called "god" or an object of reverence, so that he sits down in the temple of the The God, publicly showing himself to be a god.' - 2Thes 2:4
They want so badly for everything they have a hand in being elevated to the level of the Bible. And JWs just lap it up like the stupid dogs returning to their vomit they are. I swear, if the average JW found one of the GB members' shopping lists, they'd build a shrine to it and prostrate themselves before it.
hi i need some help to show that the scriptures used to uphold the disfellowshipping policy are actually only meant to apply to those that deny the christ blah blah.
not for me but someone close to me.
parents have disowned her.
Seriously? They use Paul's words about 'not mixing in company with fornicators, greedy people, idolaters, revilers, drunkards, and extortioners' to throw out people who don't agree that Jesus was confused about what "generation" means. Meanwhile, they idolatrously worship a publishing company and the 7 men in charge of it.
You honestly believe you can reason with people like that? Satan is more reasonable. At least Jesus could get him to go away.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1328939/pg1.
jehovah's witnesses watch tower and bethel whistle-blower.
suggest pin quote [+] .
This is exactly the sort of thing that happens when people are conditioned to believe without evidence, just on someone's word. Without regard for accuracy, verification, motive, or agenda, JWs are trained for years to take what they're told at face-value. Don't check it, don't doubt it, don't question it, no need to verify or validate it.
So, we have 7M people who will believe Smurf dolls are walking out of Kingdom Halls, angels are protecting pioneer women from murderers who kill the Avon lady an hour later, Alex Trebek is shouting praises for the New World Translation, things bought at yard sales are infested with demons, Nazis can't see piles of Watchtowers on a table in the middle of the room.
Take those same people and put them on the other side of the issue and suddenly they're believing the Watchtower is an Illuminati front, practice Satanic black masses at the memorial, purposely hide subliminal pictures and messages in the literature, and now all the nutty things "Johnny" is saying.
The facts are interesting and damning enough, without trying to turn everything into a Dan Brown story. Why are people so cavalier about credibility? Everybody is grasping at straws to prove their point. Does nobody care what the truth really is? I don't understand people who manipulate the evidence to fit their perception rather than adjust their perception to reflect the evidence.
for those who were in or still are.. when do/did you begin counting time?
as you left for the house group, or after the meeting was over?
did you count the car trip to and from?
I start it at 9:00am, when the service meeting begins. Then, I let it run through 9:30, when we get to the territory. At 9:45, when the brother leading the car group gets all the directions in order and we knock on the first door, it's still going. Then, at 10:00 when we hit Tim Horton's for break, I just let it ride, since it's only a few minutes. At 10:30, when we're getting back in the car, it's rolling right along and as we drive across town to someone's return visit who we all know works during the day on weekends, it's still accruing. At 11:00am we get to the RV's house. Stand outside there for 5 minutes, take another 5 figuring out where the next NH RV is.
By 11:15, we're back on the road. Tack on another :30 to the RV who has a softball game on Saturdays and has for the last 6 months. By then, it's 11:45 and time to head to McDonald's for lunch. I figure the theocratic banter allows me to keep the time rolling, trading service stories and "clever" comebacks to use at the door, like "I don't believe in God." "Oh? Well, he believes in you."
By 1:00pm we're back on the road, because Paul said to be at it diligently. We "pioneer shuffle" around a block and by 3:00 we've knocked on nearly 8 doors. One of them even had a person behind it and I stumbled over my convoluted, boring, ill-prepared pitch. They said they weren't interested. Goat!
Load up, drive back to the Hall, drop off Sister Ancient and head for the homestead. Get there at about 3:30 and I'm bushed. Not a bad way to spend a Saturday. 6½ hours in Jehovah's service. Now I can beat my kids and never give my wife an orgasm in good conscience.
would it be reasonable to say that children born and raised in the organization of jw's are being set up to fail in the real world?
if so, why?
how?.
Somebody's gotta flip my burgers.
Of course JW kids are set up for failure. People who don't fail at life don't remain JWs. Intelligent JWs are all "apostates". JWs with money have better things to do than knock on doors. All the "good Witnesses" are failures. Everybody else is gone, leading a "double life", drifting away, or on the fringes.
don't get all excited...i don't mean lastnight.
spankings were a regular occurence in my family, and don't think that was uncommon for born-in jws.
my parents loved the line "we spank you because we love you.
As typical JWs, my parents were complete losers. They took their financial frustrations and self-esteem issues out on us all the time. It didn't take long to realize there was precious little correlation between our actions and beatings that would land a parent in prison without the iron veil of JW secrecy. The only things we got out of our constant abuse were - in this order: confusion, frustration, fear, hatred, anger, and finally apathy. The psychological and spiritual damage wrought upon us took/is taking decades to recover from. Actually, one benefit of being raised by wolves is I learned not to automatically trust those who are supposed to have my best interests at heart and not to grant unconditional love to someone who doesn't deserve it.
I'm thoroughly convinced these emotional issues are "the root of all sorts of injurious things" among JWs. The backstabbing, tattling, judgmental, gestapo attitude that prevails is a knee-jerk reaction. In order to console their shattered self-worth, JWs lash out at others, whether overtly on their children or passive-aggressively on their "brothers". Retard, loser elders lord their artificial position over the congregation. They rule with as iron a fist as current social circumstances allow. They are no different than Inquisitors of the Middle Ages, other than what the law allows them to do. They get away with all they can at the expense of the flock. The day will eventually come when they will be loosed from the governmental bonds that control them, then their true colors will be revealed. The Great Tribulation will include a "Super Inquisition" and the WBTS will demonstrate they are indeed part of Babylon the Great, when they perform atrocities that rival or exceed anything before seen in human history. All under the guise of "theocratic warfare".
