please share this question.
why is he spiritual israel not innumerable?.
the literal seed of abraham was innumerable (heb 11:12; gen 22:17; 1ki 4:20).
Yes, 2 different scenes; one earthly and one heavenly. John hears the perfect number and then turns and sees the actual group.
The hearing and then seeing sequencing is a common literary device used by John to display images in Revelation. For example, John hears the roar of a lion, then turns to see a Lamb.
so proud of this counter that i made!.
very simple yet shows the estimated amount of people that are living that are from the generation of 1914, defined as "all the people who were alive, even just barely being born, when ww1 started".. here's what i assumed:.
10% of the 1.7 billion people alive in 1914 were infants, just children.
"Which makes Jesus and his preaching new kingdom fictional mythology,"
Depends really....on whether or not Mathew 24: 1-35 was fulfilled within the lifetime of Christ's contemporaries ....which is my understanding btw.
so proud of this counter that i made!.
very simple yet shows the estimated amount of people that are living that are from the generation of 1914, defined as "all the people who were alive, even just barely being born, when ww1 started".. here's what i assumed:.
10% of the 1.7 billion people alive in 1914 were infants, just children.
To the original poster.
Don't you think that Jesus was talking about a thriving generation that surely would not pass away?
Even the WTS gave up.un the 1914 generation fulfilling Christ's prophecy.
please share this question.
why is he spiritual israel not innumerable?.
the literal seed of abraham was innumerable (heb 11:12; gen 22:17; 1ki 4:20).
Why do you believe that the 144,000 and the great crowd are not the same group?
fader here - last meeting was in autumn 2005. lurker on this site and others.
not one to get all controversial.. typical situation, pretty much a born in and left the church at age 38 and never looked back.. i'm 53 now, parents getting older - late 70s but very active, dad is still an elder.. parents, in laws, brother and brother-in-law still uber active jws.. my family (wife and 2 adult children) out since 2005.. we have stayed close to our parents - we have treaded religion lightly and have had a pretty good relationship and have kept our personal lives and beliefs/opinions separated from them.
this was intentional - as we love them and do not want anything to cause shunning since they are getting older and want to be there for them and we respect their beliefs.. got this letter today.
My advice is that you accept your parent's decision and do not respond. Let them keep wondering about your reaction since you are supposed to be dead to them anyway.
Just wait until urgent family business requires your involvement and then show them what unconditional love looks like.
Meanwhile if you have faith continue to pray God's blessing on them to come to their senses.
i have started this, then restarted it, and it still sucks to even write this out - but my younger sister passed away unexpectedly last saturday (on my birthday).
i am going through all the grieving emotions, but there is more to the story that i could never and would never talk about to anyone that didn't understand the jw rhetoric.
so...here i am.. my sister has had borderline personality disorder (bpd) for as long as i can remember.
Babygirl
Sorry for your loss and ongoing struggle with your feelings. It may help to remind yourself that it was not your fault that you had virtually no relationship with your sister for the last ten years.
Feelings come and go; they are not necessarily what love is made of. If your sister were still alive and willing, would you still cherish the possibility of a having a good relationship with her? If so, that is love, whether you feel great emotion over her passing or not.
Yes...the religion of Jehovah's Witnesses is unique in that every doctrine that is unique to the religion is extra-biblical.
Great post Punko. Add...do you want to risk loosing your relationship with immediate family members over man-made rules?
so i was interviewing a guy for a podcast episode today and he went and saw his grandmother over christmas to gather some history.
he wasn't raised a jw but it turns out his family was actually opposed to the jws because they went all the way back to russell.
according to him (from her stories), they refused to follow rutherford and that's where the split took place.
Don't forget my favorite Berean Bible Student Church in Lombard ILL
Check out Free Bible Students
in the late 80's when i was in my late teens i used to with my then wife to be attend a monday night pre-watchtower study at a local elders house.. this guy was revered as very knowledgable and he was scholarly and interesting to listen to; so at the time it was a genuinely enjoyable monday evening spent with oftentimes discussion would veer far of the subject at hand and lasting to well after 11pm some evenings.. this particular night, the subject up for discussion was "the faithful and discreet slave" and how we should be obeying them without question.
right in the middle of the study this elder said as a question not in the wt article; "how do we really know the current fds as lead by the governing body are the real deal.
i mean what actual proof do we have?".
Who else could it be?
Correct me if mistaken....in the late 1800s the FDS was the anointed since AD 33. Then from 1915 it was Charles Russell. In 1927 it was all the anointed again. In 2007 it was all the anointed since 1919. Then in 2012 it was the directors (leaders in Brooklyn) of the WTS in 1919 and all subsequent leaders acting in unison since 1919.
Apparently the FDS can be anyone the existing leadership of the WTS claims it to be.
Who else could it be?
