Posts by Vanderhoven7

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Advice on fade?

by NotNorwich in

jw
friends

hello, i’ve just joined here and am hoping for some advice.

i was baptised a long time ago but left soon after (da).. i recently returned and have a bible study.

was reinstated about a year ago.

Vanderhoven7

@notnorwich

You know you are in the wrong religion when you cannot leave with your reputation intact.

My fading advice is stop going to meetings altogether. If and when the elders call explain honestly but secretively that you are dealing with a personal issue. The hidden personal issue of course is doubts about the GB/F&DS. Thank them for their interest and inform them that if you need their help you will let them know.

Keep what is personal, personal and do your research yourself without Watchtower lenses. This forum is a good place to investigate as well as Jwfacts.com

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Im hearing some say that the Org is about to reverse the No Blood policy - about to change...

by BeaverEater in

uh, i wonder if that is true... hearing this from friends within bethel... gonna laugh my ass of if they change this....

Vanderhoven7

Don't hold your breath BeaverEater.

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Prediction: I think the Blood Policy is about to change.

by underground in

i’d like to start out by saying this is my opinion.. i believe that the organisation is about to make blood transfusions in any form a conscience matter.. they will still ban the eating of blood.. they will gaslight everyone by talking about how it is so much safer now.

and will say something along the lines of how our stance protected us from the aids crisis etc.. and i believe this change is going to happen before the annual meeting 2024.. i think the annual meeting will announce they are scrapping the midweek meeting and instead we get to watch a streamed talk at home through a revamped website similar to the way netflix works.. obviously take my opinion with a hefty pinch of salt..

Vanderhoven7

Their blood policy will not change substantially because it separates them from all of evil disobedient Christendom.

We alone honor Jehovah's blood laws!!!

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How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

by Sea Breeze in

5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

what say you?.

Vanderhoven7

The apostles along with the other anointed dead apparently were given a spiritual body in the spring of 1918 and were raised to heavenly life, The currently living anointed join them immediately at their death.

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How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

by Sea Breeze in

5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

what say you?.

Vanderhoven7

I think the explanation is that since the first resurrection began in 1918 when anointed ones die now, their personalities don't need to be stored in God's memory but are immediately transformed into Spirit creatures adapted for heavenly life.

I don't see how Witnesses can escape that man at least has a dual nature, body and soul. Soul then equals personality including memories, intellect, will and emotions.

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What exactly IS 1914 these days?

by Halcon in

it's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).

realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.

and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.

Vanderhoven7

Hey, three generations can overlap so no problem with 1914 there.

And don't forget the tree cut down and the seven year 1914 kingdom restoration proof.

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How Does WT Explain away, "Absent from the Body, Present with the Lord"?

by Sea Breeze in

5now he that wrought us for this very thing is god, who gave unto us the earnest of the spirit.6being therefore always of good courage, and knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the lord 7(for we walk by faith, not by sight); 8we are of good courage, i say, and are willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be at home with the lord.

9wherefore also we make it our aim, whether at home or absent, to be well-pleasing unto him.. since watchtower teaches there is only one "you" and not three (soul, body & spirit); how do jw's deal with the fact that scripture says that it is possible for a person to be absent from their body and to be present with the lord in heaven?when i was pioneering, i don't recall a householder every dropping this verse on me; and i'm not sure how i would have handled it if they did.

what say you?.

Vanderhoven7

Certainly, I would rather be absent from the body and present with the Lord immediately, never losing consciousness or being asleep unclothed for a season. But knowing that my next conscious moment will be seeing Jesus at His Coming, I'm not too concerned.

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What exactly IS 1914 these days?

by Halcon in

it's no longer a year tying to the present (the old pre-1995 generation belief).

realistically, that's the only reason why it mattered.

and if it doesn't really matter what it is anymore, why would jw not do away with it?.

Vanderhoven7

Watchtower can not get rid of 1914. Too much of their unique extra-biblical theology is built on this date.

Jesus was enthroned in 1914, Christendom was rejected in 1918, the apostles were raised to heavenly life in 1918 and the Faithful Slave (Watchtower directors) was appointed at Brooklyn headquarters in 1919.

If 1914 goes, so does GB authority.

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Prediction: no more changes for a long while

by slimboyfat in

i’ve noticed a pattern where things don’t go the way i expect them to go and/or whenever i realise there is a trend and, i mentally adjust for the idea that the trend will continue, the trend stops in its tracks.

so on that basis, and given many people, including myself, and active jws, have been asking ‘what changes will the governing body make next?’ perhaps the (disappointing) answer is: ‘nothing much for a while to come’.

maybe they’ve made the changes they want for now, and will wait a while and see how it’s received.

Vanderhoven7

My take:

They will not substantially change the blood policy.

They will not change the 1914 date.

They will not change their stance on fornication one iota or they will lose their claim to moral superiority.

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Will I be disfellowshippwd

by Sydney in

y'all i am an unmedicated bipolar.

i had a mania streak and slept with my bf who is of the world.

i am pregnant from this.

Vanderhoven7

Sydney,

Believe me. Nobody is judging you. Everyone is trying to be supportive. But we have no faith in the kindness of men who are bound by heartless man made policies. In contrast, just look at the response of Christ to the woman caught in adultery and take heart sister. We are with you.