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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

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  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Here are two of my favorites as reported by Goles Grey:

  Here is a lie made by the Society in 1993:-

  “The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914.” Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

  However, the Watchtower once claimed that Jesus took up his kingly throne in 1878:-

  • “… 1874 as the time of our Lord’s second presence as Bridegroom and Reaper, and to April 1878 as the time when he began to exercise his office of King of kings and Lord of lords…” – Studies in the Scriptures – Thy Kingdom Come (1911 ed.) p.150
  • “The spring of A.D. 1878 (three and a half years later) corresponds to the date at which our Lord assumed the office of King…” – Studies in the Scriptures – The Time Is At Hand 1915 ed. p.235

  It’s not clear why the writers of the 1993 Watchtower lied, but there is it in black and white.

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  Here is another lie:-

  “Jehovah’s witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of “the conclusion of the system of things.” – Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

  This claim is also provably untrue.

  In the decades leading up to the year 1914, Jehovah’s Witnesses taught:-

  • “THE ‘Time of the End,” a period of one hundred and fifteen(115) years, from A.D. 1799 to A.D. 1914, is particularly marked in the Scriptures.” Studies in the Scriptures – Thy Kingdom Come p.23
  • But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of troubles.” – Zion’s Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226
  • “In view of this strong Bible evidence concerning the Times of the Gentiles, we consider it an established truth that the final end of the kingdoms of this world, and the full establishment of the Kingdom of God, will be accomplished at the end of A.D. 1914.” – Studies in the Scriptures – The Time Is At Hand (1889) p.98-99

  Decades before 1914, the Watchtower taught that that date marked the ‘end of the conclusion of the system of things’ with the war of Armageddon, contrary to what was stated in the 1973 Awake magazine.

  It is particularly satisfying that their lies have finally caught up with them.
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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  That the Faithful Slave knows anything about Bible eschatology.

  Two photos released showing bethelites running from the fires…priorities in hand 😉

  

  
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  What is Your Favorite WT Lie?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i would like to start a thread on lies that the watchtower and their reps have told.

  surely we all have one or two that truly sticks out in our memories, no matter how much we would like to forget.

  my favorite wt lie: the reason they don't want to release the name of the "scholars" who worked on the new world translation is because they do not want to accept "glory and honor" from others.

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  <<Women will become men when the earth is filled.>>

  We don't have to wait for that to happen.

  https://youtu.be/1pwe_wJclK0?si=qHStAmgPmLLTHtkI
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  Meeting attendance

  by Farmer Jim1 in

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  for those still in the organization what is your meeting attendance like these days?.

  when i left in 2017 there were around 80 publishers and the average meeting attendance was 70..

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  Just picked this up about the decreasing number of new publishers. See the chart below.

  The last report by the coward organization was 70,000 are disfellowshipped a year, with 2/3 NEVER returning after freeing themselves from the cult and its false doctrine. Also, 65% of those born into the cult will leave, never to return, after educating themselves on the evil practices of the cult, many being victims of the abusive cult. Their controlling practices through FEAR and HATE only work on the weak minded they prey upon, leading the cult to be three times more likely to suffer from mental disorders such as anxiety, depression and schizophrenia, as shown in many medical studies. This high volume of mental illness has lead many mental health professionals to specialize in helping cult victims gain mental clarity and freedom of their fear and hate towards their fellow humans as well as help them adjust to a life in the real world.

  
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  Historian and former JW Jim Penton dies

  by slimboyfat in

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  i don’t know a lot about james penton but i think he deserves a better thread than the one currently on offer.

  james penton, who died recently, grew up in a jw family in canada and served as an elder.

  unusually for a jw, he studied liberal arts at university and became a history professor.

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  I'm doing fine thank you.

  I hope you are right because I am used to seeing more positive well thought out comments being expressed in your posts. I actually thought for a second that someone might have stolen your identity. 😎
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  Historian and former JW Jim Penton dies

  by slimboyfat in

  1. social
  2. current

  i don’t know a lot about james penton but i think he deserves a better thread than the one currently on offer.

  james penton, who died recently, grew up in a jw family in canada and served as an elder.

  unusually for a jw, he studied liberal arts at university and became a history professor.

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  Vanderhoven7

  Nathan,

  Are you feeling OK?
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  Trump wins

  by gavindlt in

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  i am non political and have never voted but nonetheless i have been keenly watching to see how the trump presidential race unfolds.

  i believe that his involvement in propelling or influencing a leaning toward bible prophecy will unfold.

  how, i can’t say but something tells me that this anomaly and outlier being trump is highly signifiant!

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  Vanderhoven7

  Absolutely nothing about the UN, Trump or the US elections in Bible prophecy!

  What is in Bible prophecy:

  No Christ, No Peace

  Know Christ, Know Peace
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  WATCHTOWER JAN 2025: WHY IS THE WATCHTOWER OBSESSED WITH THE RANSOM?

  by raymond frantz in

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  https://youtu.be/ocufvpm3t04?si=75zmussxknhlsrs7.

  the first watchtower for 2025 is out, and immediately, articles 4 and 5 drew my attention.

  these will be studied near the memorial season, a time the witnesses prepare for their yearly commemoration of jesus’ death, i will be returning on this articles near at the time.

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  The new creation (Christ in you) does not sin. The old man (nature) is dead (Romans 6)....but unfortunately resurrects itself if left uncrucified.
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  WT vs Norway - WT sends letter to the goverment saying they have now changed their practice on DF. Asks for their funding back

  by liam in

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  disfellowshipping is slowly fading into the night.. last efforts to survive.. https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/1gh3ilq/wt_vs_norway_wt_sends_letter_to_the_goverment/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button.

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  Are they willing to change their doctrine, dogma, and policies to get free cash?

  
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  Searching

  by Striker in

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  jude 1:9 (kjv) yet michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, the lord rebuke thee.. matthew 4:10 (kjv) then saith jesus unto him, get thee hence, satan: for it is written, thou shalt worship the lord thy god, and him only shalt thou serve.

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  .....my understanding is that you all believe jesus is michael the archangel....... the two verses above describe two different personalities..... the archangel in jude rebuked satan in the name of the father, because he knew it was not his place to rebuke him, he knew that he didn't have the authority to do so, that the only person who possesses this authority is god himself.... while jesus, in matthew 4:10, does not need to invoke the name of the father to rebuke satan, because the father and jesus are one, not michael and jesus..... .... because michael the archangel is not jesus christ our savior.....

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  Vanderhoven7

  16 because Jehovah himself will descend from heaven with a commanding call, with an archangel’s voice and with God’s trumpet, and those who are dead in union with Christ will rise first. 17 Afterward we the living who are surviving will, together with them, be caught away in clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and thus we will always be with the Lord.

  Yes, then every knee will bow and confess that Jesus Christ is Jehovah.