i just thought that the question box of the november km was strange the way it was worded.
i tried to scan it but could not get it to come up so i will type it out.. ("who should fill out coupons and internet requests?.
our publications often contain coupons that can be filled out and sent to the branch office to request literature or a visit from jehovah's witnesses.
That reminds me Billy about the recent thread on Bethel not being able to answer all letters. They are certainly making themselves less approachable.
http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/bible/215131/1/Society-tells-us-to-stop-asking-questions
"Neither the branch office nor world headquarters is in a position to analyze and answer all such questions that have not been considered in our literature."
how important is it now and how important will it be?.
i think of some of the cases in history that the wt has fought.... the 40s and 50s were spent defending the right to preach.
ok pretty important gains for everyone in freedom of speech etc.
Where does Steven Unthank fit into the book of Revelations Vidqun?
The main problem with your theory is that if the JWs are charged then they would be shown as having neither obedience and humility.
one of the things i certainly noticed as a jw, and even during the time i was in bethel, was the complexities of reporting "truth.".
beginning with an observation on a personal level, i consider myself an honest person.
but something happened along the way, beginning when i pioneered.
Billy the ex-B said "
@ breakfast of champions: Yeah, well, Jehovah is also known as the greatest killer of all time! I mentioned Ananias and Sapphira in the OP for a reason. In one of the congregations I was secretary of, I went through the tons of old letters and crap in the file cabinet and came across a letter from the branch sent to the congregation because one of the young pioneer sisters, I think she was the only pioneer in the congregation at the time even, had confessed that she had reported more hours than she actually spent out in the ministry. What was the response from Brooklyn at this confession? The letter included explaining that Ananias and Sapphira were killed by Jehovah for giving a lying report to the brothers in charge of the congregation! I was disgusted that they would bring up such an ugly Bible account. It didn't matter that they then tried to give "comfort" by saying that the confession was the right thing to do and she would be removed as a pioneer, but no other punishment. Duh. Jehovah didn't strike her down for lying about her time because no worthwhile god would give a rats ass about such futile works orchestrated by a printing corporation."
This is appalling. It is surprising that this decision wasn't left up to the elders and so it is Bethel that is responsible for such actions.
I guess we all have different moral standards and I put honesty and truthfulness at the top of my list. For this sister to confess of her wrongdoing would have been discipline in itself for her. What they achieved was a lose/lose situation on both their parts, they must be idiots not to think through what they are trying to achieve. Then again, their philosophy is to put the organisation first and this is an example of how screwed up their decisions can be on that basis.
Really, if they wanted to discipline her (and that is so questionable) they could have posed the idea to her as to how she thought she could make up for this wrongdoing. One idea would be for her to do extra time for the unworked hours already recorded.
I feel sorry for her to be made an example before her congregation when what she ended up doing was actually very commendable.
how important is it now and how important will it be?.
i think of some of the cases in history that the wt has fought.... the 40s and 50s were spent defending the right to preach.
ok pretty important gains for everyone in freedom of speech etc.
That would be really great to get your first hand feedback Oz.
It is really hard to know what will happen from here. I certainly don't think anyone will be thrown in jail as there are fines that can be imposed. It is however a serious piece of legislation and one that I have not heard anyone complaining about but rather the opposite.
Now that they are probably going to be saying that they are voluntarily complying with the law it may fizzle out, it really depends on the court but the charge is there and must be answered. If the org takes the angle that they don't think it applies to them anyway then it may motivate the courts to clear up the matter through the courts so that a precedent is set.
i just thought that the question box of the november km was strange the way it was worded.
i tried to scan it but could not get it to come up so i will type it out.. ("who should fill out coupons and internet requests?.
our publications often contain coupons that can be filled out and sent to the branch office to request literature or a visit from jehovah's witnesses.
"When such requests are indentified as being sent in behalf of someone else, they are generally not processed."
Using the term processed sounds very impersonal. I hope they at least write to the person making the request and advise them of the alternatives.
in the question from readers, watchtower 2011 8/15 p. 22 it made the following comment:.
"we thus have no way of knowing the exact number of anointed ones on earth; nor do we need to know.
the governing body does not keep a list of all partakers, for it does not maintain a global network of anointed ones.".
Someonesomewhere - It looked like he made it up in the moment.
On such important issues the r&f are left floundering, he should have at least been able to turn to one of the many publications and presented a clear answer.
by 20,000 in 6 more languages.
not a big increase.. dec. 1 wt was 42,162,000 in 188 languages.. jan. 1 wt 42,182,000 in 194 languages..
Factfinder "Everyone has their own opinion as it should be. But I am amazed that some posters spend so much time being overly critical of the wts and finding fault with every little thing.
Is it ok if other publishers print millions of magazines or books that you don't care about or that publish ideas or teachings that you don't like? Why only single out the wts for such critiscism?"
The WTS proclaim that they do everything in a Godly manner unlike the many other publishers out there, that is why they are singled out.
by 20,000 in 6 more languages.
not a big increase.. dec. 1 wt was 42,162,000 in 188 languages.. jan. 1 wt 42,182,000 in 194 languages..
So you would rather have the org viewed by Satan's standards rather than God's standards FactFinder?
i've been assuming it was the governing body.
i remember in pioneer school,well,that was 20 years ago, the faithful slave was annointed,but so were the domestics.
it was the annointed "feeding" the annointed spritually.
In a recent Watchtower Magazine the GB said that those anointed (of the F&DS) were not to consider themselves above the Elders. Their theocratic chart does not show this to be the case.
i left the org many years ago as a teenager.
i started looking more closely at their doctrines a few months ago to work out if they really have the truth.
when i cam across the notion that jesus is not mediator for everyone i was startled and have been looking at the issue a lot more closely.
The magazine can be downloaded directly from the JW org official site.
http://www.jw.org/index.html?option=QrYQCsVrGZNT
Some of the interesting parts are quoted as follows -
"Jeremiah 31:31-33.
( Read. )
Jesus’words indicated that he was now introducing that new covenant, which would replace the Law covenant that Jehovah had established with Israel throughMoses.
Were the two covenants related?
Yes, their purposes were closely linked. When introducing the Law covenant, Jehovah told the nation: “If you will strictly obey my voice and will indeed keep my covenant, then you will certainly become my special property out of all other peoples, because the whole earth belongs to me. And you yourselves will become to me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation.”..........
So a priest appointed by Jehovah represents sinful people before God by means of prescribed offerings, pleading with Him on their behalf. Conversely, a priest also represents Jehovah before people, instructing them in divine law.(Lev. 10:8-11; Mal. 2:7) In these ways, a divinely appointed priest works to reconcile people to God.......
Where would those in the new covenant serve? On earth, where, as a group, they would serve as a priesthood, representing Jehovah to people by ‘declaring abroad his excellencies’and providing spiritual food. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Pet. 2:4, 5).....
By the end of 1,000 years of beneficial service, the royal priesthood will have elevated its earthly subjects to human perfection. As High Priest and King, Christ will then present the completely restored human family to Jehovah.
Read 1 Corinthians 15:22-26. )
The royal priesthood will have fully accomplished its purpose. 8
Thereafter, how will Jehovah use these highly privileged associates of Christ? According to Revelation 22:5,“they will rule as kings forever and ever.” Over whom? The Bible does not say."
As mentioned in my previous post they are making it clear that the annointed are serving as a royal priesthood here on earth, now. They specifically say that part of the priests role is to reconcile people to God.
