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  The Watchtower 11/15/2014

  by wifibandit in

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  2. bible

  http://bayfiles.net/file/1jpu5/qhxxxl/w_e20141115.pdf.

  select "premium download".

  (thanks breakfast of champions).

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  The organization doesn't have a physical glass bowl that they look into to see what is going to happen in the future but this picture that they have stages is exactly the same thing. This picture is a snapshot of what they believe will happen and what they are doing is more than scaremongering. They are stepping beyong what the bible says and are making their own assumptions and looking into the future and foretelling what it holds.
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  Watchtower November 2014: Witnesses can't donate blood

  by opusdei1972 in

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  let us read a recent watchtower publication:.

  many medical professionals and other advocates of blood transfusion appeal to people to donate blood in hopes of saving lives.

  however, jehovahs holy people acknowledge that the creator has the right to say how blood is to be treated.

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  They seem to be using the word Holy in this magazine numerous times, maybe they are moving away from the term 'Holy spirit'.
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  Disturbing cover picture November 2014 awake!

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  oh wow..... i have just seen the cover picture for the november awake!.

  sorry, i don't know how to post a picture here....(perhaps someone else can assist?).

  it is just plain creepy.. the article is called "keys to a happy life".... but the looks on the faces say something different!

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  When did JW females start wearing flat heels?
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  Do you think that the Jehovahs Witness religion would be better /worse if their were an equal number of male/female on the G.B.?

  by smiddy in

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  2. friends

  of course this is a hypothetical question , it will never happen .?

  but what if it did , what do you think the society would be like if it did happen .?.

  let your imaginations run wild .

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  There would be a cat fight to start with just to be considered for the role. No it would not be better off, the internal workings of the organization would ensure that anyone, male or female, were simply stooges as part of their workings. I've given up hope that this could be a more loving and considerate organization.
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  The Watchtower 11/15/2014

  by wifibandit in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://bayfiles.net/file/1jpu5/qhxxxl/w_e20141115.pdf.

  select "premium download".

  (thanks breakfast of champions).

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  I enjoyed your post Clarity about the 'sense of urgency' and especially the 'godly sense of urgency' when God has no sense of urgency.

  The Governing Body who are being prompted along by other members at headquarters are absolutely nuts and have lost all bible understanding and putting their trust in God.

  The picture depicts an elder reading out life saving instructions provided not by God, but by Headquarters. They think that they are now all that important. Yet all they are busy doing at the moment is buying and selling buildings and printing articles telling their flock to obey them.

  Going by their track record the letter the elder is reading will be full of instructions that are detrimental and it won't matter one bit becasuse they have their 'get out of jail free' card, they are allowed to make mistakes because they are imperfect. Problem is, the sheepies have to follow those carzy intstructions regardless of whether they make any logical sense to them or not.

  It is not even feasable that a person would risk all to get to a basement just to be with an elder who reads out a letter.

  If you were to ask the GB what exactly is in that letter they wouldn't be able to tell you but somehow they will know at the necessary time what to write. How will they know? They couldn't tell you that either. How will they know what they have depicted in this picture will actually occur? Of course they don't and here again we see them prophesying.

  They are looking into the future and depicting what will occurr. Who needs the bible when we have prophets amongst us.
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  Outrageous propaganda. "Treat your disfellowshipped loved ones like they're dead, but without mourning them." NOV 2014 study Watchtower

  by Watchtower-Free in

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  This is what Wikapedia says about mourning in relation to Nedab and Abihu

  Mourning [ edit ]

  Aaron and the other surviving priests were commanded not to mourn, participate in mourning rituals, or have contact with the dead. This was applicable not only in this case; but it was modified in an ongoing command. While priests could mourn, they could not have contact with the dead - even a dead spouse, parent or child - and they could not participate in public mourning rituals. [ 17 ] As the representatives of the people, priests were to avoid anything that might disqualify them for God’s service. [ 18 ] They were to remain ready and able to act in God's service whenever the community needed them.

  The command not to mourn also applied because the crime of Nadab and Abihu was so provoking to God and fully merited the punishment which God had inflicted. To mourn in this case could be seen by the people as accusing God of undue severity. [ 19 ] Both the people and the priests needed to show submission to a righteous judgement. [ 20 ] If the anointed priests were to sin in this manner, the blame would fall not only upon them but also upon the people. [ 21 ] In addition, all Jews are prohibited from mourning on the Sabbath and during Festivals of the Lord. These are days for celebration, no sorrow is permitted to impinge upon the joy of the days.

  However, the people in the community as a whole were allowed to mourn and display grief. The death of Nadab and Abihu was tragic yet deserved, [ 22 ] and the people were to first recognize that it was deserved and then mourn their death.

  So it wa only the priests that were instructed not to mourn. The principle here was that the priests had to demonstrate that they accepted God's decision in the matter. The point is that it wasn't the Priests that issued judgement, it was God and they had to accept this. There is no similarities between this and their current day difellowshipping. It is the elders that issue judgement, not God.
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  Colossians 1:15-16 and the word "other"

  by yogosans14 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "he is the image of the invisible god, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all [other] things were created in the heavens and upon the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities.

  all [other] things have been created through him and for him.

  " (col. 1:15-17, for context.

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  Marking
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  Perversion of Baptismal Vows

  by AlanF in

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  2. friends

  an appendix in the book contains some 120 questions along with hundreds of scriptural "proof texts" that the proselyte is then expected to study.

  12 jesus commanded his followers to baptize new disciples in the name of the father and of the son and of the holy spirit.

  the following quotation shows what the proselyte is expected to study just prior to baptism:.

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  Marked and thank you for your post
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  Expect JW.ORG figures to be inflated for August

  by Quarterback in

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  2. friends

  i find myself trying to access the website, too often, to access the november wt.

  this wt is supposed to contain the details of the changes.

  so far, nothing.. i think that others are trying to do the same thing just to read about those details.

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  If they start going on about how many people are visiting their site then it will be much easier to prove that they are only doing this for the bragging rights which is something they specifically claim that they don't do in regards to all their other numbers.

  They have no idea of how many new interested persons are looking at their site as there is no way to tally this. At least with the publications they have numbers of placements (to interested persons) recorded. The only statistic that would prove any usefulness would be the number of genuine bible study requests that they have recieved and it is readily available to them, I wonder if they will publish that.
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  BOE * 2014-07-15 Witnessing in public places REVISION

  by WatchTower87 in

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  2. bible

  boe * 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places revision.

  old version: 2014-05-01 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/qagwu.

  new version: 2014-07-15 witnessing in public places pdf: http://adf.ly/r6tsl.

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  It's not us that are sending you forth with detailed instructions, it's Jesus. Jesus I tell you.

  Oh, and one more instruction, we want them baptized as recognition that they are part of our organization.